Stealing The General:
The Great Locomotive Chase and The First Medal of Honor
Russell Bonds2/17/2008 9:05 pm (et) Basecat: Welcome to the Sunday Night Book chat. Tonight we will be going over Chapters 10 & 11 of Russ Bonds's book...Stealing The General: The Great Locomotive Chase and the First Medal of Honor. REMINDER, please refrain from using the Private message function during the chat. Thanks.
This chat took place in the Civil War Home Chatroom on 02/17/08 and covered Chapters 10 & 11
2/17/2008 9:06 pm (et) Basecat: Let's start with any thoughts, questions and comments on Chapter 10, "Every Man For Himself".2/17/2008 9:06 pm (et) Babs: It was hard for me to stop reading at the end of the assignment.
2/17/2008 9:07 pm (et) Susansweet: Me too Babs, I wanted to keep going .2/17/2008 9:07 pm (et) bluelady: I wasn't sure before in my reading of this event that the message got through
2/17/2008 9:07 pm (et) Susansweet: The funny thing is I know who lived and who didn't and I still are saying what happens to him ?2/17/2008 9:08 pm (et) jbuck: And we needed one of Russell's great maps to keep track of where each of the Raiders went.
2/17/2008 9:08 pm (et) bluelady: But now I see it definitely did and even if they were able to keep going Chattanooga would have definitely been out of the question.2/17/2008 9:08 pm (et) Susansweet: jbuck that would have been interesting to pinpoint where each group ended up.
2/17/2008 9:09 pm (et) amhistoryguy: I couldn't help but think, as the chase came to a close, what poor use of the men in the box car - basically all they did was go for a ride.2/17/2008 9:10 pm (et) bluelady: And here is where the "sameness" of their responses was the dead giveaway for who they were.
2/17/2008 9:10 pm (et) Babs: I was sort of surprised that none of the 22 managed to escape. If only they had had a GPS.2/17/2008 9:10 pm (et) Basecat: Dave, which is exactly what I was gonna say, and will just add what they all must have thought as their luck continued to go from bad to worse.
2/17/2008 9:11 pm (et) bluelady: That is true Dave but they were needed at the many stops...especially the last fuel stop.2/17/2008 9:11 pm (et) mobile_96: Or more compasses to hand around.
2/17/2008 9:11 pm (et) bluelady: Babs definitely brings home the traveling in circles thing.2/17/2008 9:11 pm (et) Susansweet: Compasses would have helped.
2/17/2008 9:11 pm (et) jbuck: I thought the same about the compasses.2/17/2008 9:11 pm (et) secret squirrel: No land navigation skills.
2/17/2008 9:12 pm (et) bluelady: Which makes me wonder how the made it in the beginning of their journey?2/17/2008 9:12 pm (et) Basecat: Babs, In a way, it reminds me of how those involved in the Dahlgren Raid in 1864 were rounded up, and by that I mean those who found they were finally **** out of luck.
2/17/2008 9:12 pm (et) bluelady: They were on foot then as well and at night.2/17/2008 9:12 pm (et) jbuck: Would that have been uncommon back then? Tipped people off if they were cornered?
2/17/2008 9:13 pm (et) mobile_96: Good point blue.2/17/2008 9:13 pm (et) Babs: Base, I am not familiar with that. We will have to read a book on it.
2/17/2008 9:13 pm (et) Susansweet: Only thing I can think of Blue is they weren't as scared then.2/17/2008 9:14 pm (et) mobile_96: However, at the start they weren't running with people that knew they were around.
2/17/2008 9:14 pm (et) amhistoryguy: Given the lack of arms and ammunition in the hands of those in pursuit, leaving two or three men at one of the places a rail was removed, they could have obstructed the pursuit for a long time before they were left "everyman for himself" a better use of manpower, IMO.2/17/2008 9:14 pm (et) bluelady: I think the only difference this time was that they were scared...and that has a play on survival.
2/17/2008 9:14 pm (et) secret squirrel: Yes, I found it hard to believe too mobile.2/17/2008 9:14 pm (et) Basecat: Russ made a good point earlier in the book, as when this took place it was early in the war. Kinda wonder if volunteers for such a daring mission would have been easily found say in 1864.
2/17/2008 9:15 pm (et) bluelady: A good hindsight point Dave...but then the raiders had no idea how armed they were once the chase really started.2/17/2008 9:16 pm (et) Basecat: Babs, There have been a couple of books on the Dahlgren Raid that I have read, but keep an eye out in the future, as Eric Wittenberg's book on the raid will be published in 2009.
2/17/2008 9:16 pm (et) bluelady: Maybe not as easily basecat but I bet there would be some who would step to the plate.2/17/2008 9:16 pm (et) amhistoryguy: A good point Basecat, I have found however, that very often when men were inactive, they were willing to volunteer for all sorts of duties just to be doing something. A number of men in "my" 11th Battery actively sought out extra duty.
2/17/2008 9:18 pm (et) Basecat: Thing I did not like about those chosen, they really did not know each other at the start...Kinda hard to find cohesion that way when planning a raid such as this, IMHO. Dave makes a very good point though, and many tired of the inactivity, such as the boys in the 11th Battery did.2/17/2008 9:19 pm (et) Babs: Some of the pursuers had a Keystones Cops feel about them, like where one was shot by another.
2/17/2008 9:20 pm (et) bluelady: Not only about how they were chosen but how the whole thing was not really that well planned as far as coordination with the army goes.2/17/2008 9:20 pm (et) amhistoryguy: That's a great description of what went on Babs - very accurate IMO.
2/17/2008 9:20 pm (et) secret squirrel: Really blue, I agree...no plan b.2/17/2008 9:20 pm (et) Susansweet: Seems like anything that could go wrong did go wrong .
2/17/2008 9:21 pm (et) jbuck: Yes - and we see again how the day's delay by Andrews worked against them since it was a "local militia" day.2/17/2008 9:21 pm (et) jbuck: Every local in town drilling.
2/17/2008 9:21 pm (et) Basecat: Blue...They had one meeting at the start and then headed off...Me...I would have said what is the rush...but then again I don't know nothing about trains and such. Tend to think if Tim was around back then, he would have been one of the first to Volunteer. :)2/17/2008 9:21 pm (et) bluelady: One thing I didn't know before I read this book was that another engine followed the Texas with trained soldiers aboard.
2/17/2008 9:21 pm (et) amhistoryguy: They had a great plan for swatting the hornets nest, and no plan for what happened after they knocked it down.2/17/2008 9:21 pm (et) Susansweet: That did surprise me too Blue.
2/17/2008 9:21 pm (et) secret squirrel: How could Andrews independently decide to delay for a day????2/17/2008 9:22 pm (et) bluelady: LOL basecat I think all you would have had to say to Tim was Train and he would be there.
2/17/2008 9:23 pm (et) bluelady: Good one Dave and ss..he was bound to know authority except his own yet he depended on the military for complete success of his plan.. I guess he thought old stars would not be able to move as fast in the muck.2/17/2008 9:24 pm (et) Basecat: SS..Which is a very good question, as the whole raid and army involvement was supposed to be synchronized...Weather conditions drastically curtailed any hope of synchronicity...IMHO.
2/17/2008 9:24 pm (et) amhistoryguy: Think it was Chapter 10, interesting how anyone who had even spoken to Andrews or the raiders became a suspect. Poor guy that cheered on an ammunition train to Corinth was beaten and held.2/17/2008 9:25 pm (et) Basecat: Sorry..I am starting to sound like Sting..:)
2/17/2008 9:25 pm (et) secret squirrel: Really, what was he thinking???2/17/2008 9:25 pm (et) Babs: It's a wonder none of the raiders were shot during their captures.
2/17/2008 9:26 pm (et) bluelady: That reminds me of a mass hysteria type of thing there AMHG.2/17/2008 9:26 pm (et) Susansweet: Poor Parrott got the worse of it .
2/17/2008 9:26 pm (et) Basecat: Dave...Paranoia was the norm back then...and imagine how many folks who had nothing to do with many of the events of the war found themselves in the wrong place at the wrong time.2/17/2008 9:26 pm (et) bluelady: Absolutely Babs and poor Parrott once he was in the hands of the Rebs.
2/17/2008 9:27 pm (et) amhistoryguy: Trying to talk their way out instead of shoot their way out probably kept them form being killed outright.2/17/2008 9:27 pm (et) bluelady: Gees Susan we are dangerous tonight!
2/17/2008 9:27 pm (et) bluelady: And a smart choice initially on their part.2/17/2008 9:27 pm (et) secret squirrel: The same old story got them caught.
2/17/2008 9:27 pm (et) Babs: Bore the scars forty years later.2/17/2008 9:27 pm (et) Susansweet: Scary huh blue?
2/17/2008 9:30 pm (et) Susansweet: 96 what ?2/17/2008 9:31 pm (et) bluelady: For sure.
2/17/2008 9:32 pm (et) Basecat: The thing I found interesting as well, is how quickly news of the raid was spread throughout that region, and just by word of mouth. No Cell phones or computers back then.2/17/2008 9:32 pm (et) Babs: That surprised me too, Base.
2/17/2008 9:33 pm (et) bluelady: Even in the back woods areas where the raiders bailed.2/17/2008 9:33 pm (et) Susansweet: Must be word of mouth and telegraph
2/17/2008 9:33 pm (et) bluelady: that too especially since the message did get through to Chatt.2/17/2008 9:34 pm (et) Babs: I noticed the one guy ditched his Confederate jacket in a hurry.
2/17/2008 9:34 pm (et) Basecat: Babs...You think about the rough terrain in that area, just thought it was interesting. Know the newspapers in the area reported much of the after the fact stuff, but and I wish I could recall which raider found himself at that farmhouse in the middle of nowhere, and the inhabitants of the place already knew about it.2/17/2008 9:34 pm (et) Susansweet: And the two that got left behind got found out too.
2/17/2008 9:34 pm (et) bluelady: Better to admit he was a soldier than a spy.2/17/2008 9:35 pm (et) secret squirrel: I don't understand how those two messed that up.
2/17/2008 9:36 pm (et) bluelady: That was Wilson and Wood base.2/17/2008 9:36 pm (et) secret squirrel: Any story would do!
2/17/2008 9:37 pm (et) Babs: Susan, IIRC they didn't make the best use of their head start and ended up not far from where they started.2/17/2008 9:37 pm (et) Basecat: I really don't like the use of the word SPY in this case. They stole a train, and tried to rip up track. They did not technically spy on anyone, and were involved in a military operation. Spies because they were not wearing uniforms while attempting to carry the mission out? Liberal use of the word SPY IMHO.
2/17/2008 9:38 pm (et) bluelady: SS..it looks like in that part of the book that their interrogators were not going to believe any part of any story they would tell.2/17/2008 9:38 pm (et) Basecat: Only SPY on this mission was Andrews. Again, Just my humble opinion.
2/17/2008 9:38 pm (et) secret squirrel:Ii agree BC.2/17/2008 9:39 pm (et) Susansweet: Poor Pittenger couldn't get a break, he just wandered in circles .
2/17/2008 9:39 pm (et) secret squirrel: I would say anything ...looking for a relative.2/17/2008 9:39 pm (et) bluelady: Agreed there basecat...but they were treated as such because of being in civilian clothing.
2/17/2008 9:39 pm (et) jbuck: Campbell, Slavens & Shadrach didn't do the rest any favors with exposing the Flemingsburg story.2/17/2008 9:40 pm (et) Susansweet: Kind of gave all the others away for sure when they told that story.
2/17/2008 9:40 pm (et) Basecat: With all due respects to Pittenger, why he was chosen to go along makes no sense. Stuck out like a sore thumb, and had no business being a part of the thing. Plus, and to me, he was an idiot. But I digress.2/17/2008 9:40 pm (et) bluelady: jbuck...you really couldn't blame them as it was every man for himself at that point.
2/17/2008 9:41 pm (et) Susansweet: Pittenger didn't know any of the others either did he?2/17/2008 9:42 pm (et) Basecat: Blue...Just a dumb excuse to hang somebody because he was wearing civilian clothes. Never understood why in this war there were rules...In war there are no rules.
2/17/2008 9:43 pm (et) Susansweet: But at this time there were rules of war , they did get broken at times but there were rules.2/17/2008 9:44 pm (et) Basecat: Susan...I don't think he did know any of the other raiders. He sure acted like he did in the years following the war with all his writings on the subject though. Hard for me to imagine that those who were killed would have been happy that he sorta became the official storyteller of the Raid.
2/17/2008 9:44 pm (et) amhistoryguy: Rules in war are very important - the better I treat my pow's, the less likely they fight to the death.2/17/2008 9:44 pm (et) Susansweet: Amazed though that Pittenger didn't lose or break his glasses trying to escape.
2/17/2008 9:45 pm (et) Basecat: Will just say this again, there is nothing Gentlemanly about War...as they thought. In this case the use of SPY was an excuse to for the captors to do what they did.2/17/2008 9:45 pm (et) Susansweet: I agree with you there Base.
2/17/2008 9:45 pm (et) bluelady: As for the hanging.. I wasn't going there in my remark...just that they were treated as spys...and I think even at this point of the war...a lot of payback type things were starting to happen.2/17/2008 9:46 pm (et) Basecat: My bad, have taken us away from the book and posting my thoughts on a subject.
2/17/2008 9:46 pm (et) amhistoryguy: The escape attempts sort of seemed half-hearted IMO.2/17/2008 9:47 pm (et) Basecat: Blue, I know...and I make the mistake to try and figure out just what those folks were thinking back then. No way I can, and yet I still try to do so.:)
2/17/2008 9:47 pm (et) bluelady: well not payback but the ruthlessness of military control...the whole east Tennessee thing it was all a part of that because look who the confederate commander was ..none other than Leadbetter himself.2/17/2008 9:48 pm (et) bluelady: Well the escape thing I don't think really had a chance at that point.
2/17/2008 9:49 pm (et) Basecat: Will just add this...Now you know why Abe deemed it important to take over that region. Lack of control, and a total lack of respect for human life, IMHO. Tend to think if he could get the Union Army there, some order would have been restored at that time of the war.2/17/2008 9:49 pm (et) bluelady: But I don't think we are there yet are we?
2/17/2008 9:49 pm (et) bluelady: Now that I agree whole heartedly basecat.2/17/2008 9:49 pm (et) Basecat: On both sides, I should add.
2/17/2008 9:49 pm (et) Susansweet: Nope no escape yet just planning for it.2/17/2008 9:50 pm (et) bluelady: East Tenn was as bad as bleeding Kansas.
2/17/2008 9:50 pm (et) Basecat: Anymore thoughts, comments on Chapter 10?2/17/2008 9:51 pm (et) bluelady: Nope.
2/17/2008 9:51 pm (et) Susansweet: Me either.2/17/2008 9:51 pm (et) secret squirrel: Rambo would not have gotten caught.
2/17/2008 9:51 pm (et) Susansweet: lol ss.2/17/2008 9:51 pm (et) bluelady: lol ss
2/17/2008 9:52 pm (et) Basecat: SS :)2/17/2008 9:52 pm (et) Babs: But Rambo takes HGH.
2/17/2008 9:52 pm (et) secret squirrel: True!2/17/2008 9:52 pm (et) secret squirrel: hgh?
2/17/2008 9:52 pm (et) Basecat: Let's march on to Chapter 11 Court Martial.2/17/2008 9:52 pm (et) Basecat: Human Growth Hormones...
2/17/2008 9:53 pm (et) secret squirrel: o2/17/2008 9:53 pm (et) Susansweet: I could not believe the shackles and the men attached to each other by the neck Left over from slaves I bet.
2/17/2008 9:53 pm (et) Basecat: Or Howard G Hughes, but I once again digress.:)2/17/2008 9:54 pm (et) Basecat: Left over?? Still in use IMHO.
2/17/2008 9:54 pm (et) Susansweet: Right.2/17/2008 9:54 pm (et) Susansweet: Just not in use at the time.
2/17/2008 9:55 pm (et) Basecat: They were made an example of, as in any Yankee Spy who comes down here and tries to mess with us, and is caught, you will get the same treatment. Reminded me of how the hostages in Iran were treated just to reference something from recent history.2/17/2008 9:56 pm (et) bluelady: Now here is a comment on the "escape plan" first were those shackles...no way when chained like that and 2nd..they thought a trial would be best at that point.
2/17/2008 9:56 pm (et) Basecat: Again, I emphasize, both sides did this...2/17/2008 9:56 pm (et) jbuck: The Raiders were put in the 'hole' and the runaway slave got the upstairs cell!
2/17/2008 9:57 pm (et) bluelady: They thought they would be exonerated and treated as soldiers after a trial.2/17/2008 9:57 pm (et) jbuck: Spys were worse....
2/17/2008 9:57 pm (et) amhistoryguy: Who had actual jurisdiction over them - was it a "civilian" crime since it was a passenger train?2/17/2008 9:57 pm (et) Basecat: Blue, which is hard for me to understand, as they were all told before it started that if caught, they would be treated as spies, and would be killed if caught.
2/17/2008 9:58 pm (et) bluelady: No, the military took charge of the whole thing because the area was under martial law.2/17/2008 9:58 pm (et) secret squirrel: They knew the risks, but you never dream of the consequences.
2/17/2008 9:59 pm (et) bluelady: Once again agreed basecat...maybe they just thought that once they were found to be soldiers doing a soldierly thing..but then.. it goes to your remark.2/17/2008 9:59 pm (et) Babs: Base, and the Secretary would disavow any knowledge...
2/17/2008 9:59 pm (et) bluelady: SS said better than I did.2/17/2008 10:00 pm (et) bluelady: How about that description of old swims?
2/17/2008 10:00 pm (et) Basecat: Blue makes a very good point...Area was under Martial Law, as the Confederates could not handle the "problems" in the area, and it goes back to that nutcase who was in charge for the South down there at the time of the war.2/17/2008 10:00 pm (et) bluelady: Reminds me of the local moonshiner.
2/17/2008 10:00 pm (et) Susansweet: What a horrible person he was .2/17/2008 10:00 pm (et) secret squirrel: I am reminded of Otis campbell from Mayberry.
2/17/2008 10:00 pm (et) Basecat: Babs..Exactly...Very good point.2/17/2008 10:01 pm (et) bluelady: Yeah, the guy from Maine.
2/17/2008 10:01 pm (et) bluelady: All would distance them selves from the failure that is until ..well I won't go there yet2/17/2008 10:03 pm (et) Babs: Interesting how as time passed, the raiders gained some respect for their daring from the Southerners.
2/17/2008 10:03 pm (et) bluelady: Leadbetter who was either "dead drunk" or "gentlemanly drunk"2/17/2008 10:03 pm (et) Basecat: Blue...Much like today...easy to blame someone for a failure, than having the balls to make sure a mistake like that would not happen again. Some things never change.
2/17/2008 10:03 pm (et) bluelady: Right there Babs.2/17/2008 10:03 pm (et) Susansweet: Babs, was interesting how people came to visit them and bring them things.
2/17/2008 10:04 pm (et) bluelady: Some lessons are never learned basecat.2/17/2008 10:05 pm (et) bluelady: It was interesting to see how they also passed the time while there.
2/17/2008 10:05 pm (et) Susansweet: Pittenger's statement a jolly crew in a bad boat .2/17/2008 10:05 pm (et) Basecat: Again, and I know I am straying, but one of the things that still bother's me about the CW, is the banter during, and continuing after the war as to who was braver. It's like the war was game on the soldier level...To me, facing all that they did, they all were brave for the most part.
2/17/2008 10:05 pm (et) Susansweet: An understatement for sure.2/17/2008 10:06 pm (et) bluelady: Started out with Shakespeare.
2/17/2008 10:06 pm (et) Susansweet: Yipeee!2/17/2008 10:07 pm (et) Susansweet: Sorry just cheering for Shakespeare.
2/17/2008 10:07 pm (et) Basecat: Blue, and the pen is mightier than the sword...someone told me that a long time ago..;)2/17/2008 10:07 pm (et) bluelady: Base, to me that is just men trying to find some justification for what happened and to exclude themselves from the whole.
2/17/2008 10:07 pm (et) amhistoryguy: Not being smart enough to be afraid is not bravery : )2/17/2008 10:07 pm (et) bluelady: lol Basecat.
2/17/2008 10:07 pm (et) ole: You and your pen and me with my sword. We'll see.2/17/2008 10:08 pm (et) Basecat: Dave, good point...:)
2/17/2008 10:08 pm (et) bluelady: Knight was the man who like "Red" was the one who got things2/17/2008 10:08 pm (et) Babs: Quick! Squirt him in the eye with some ink!
2/17/2008 10:09 pm (et) bluelady: Parry and thrust with the quill2/17/2008 10:09 pm (et) ole: Ink?
2/17/2008 10:09 pm (et) Babs: From the pen.2/17/2008 10:10 pm (et) Babs: Haul us back on topic, Basecat.
2/17/2008 10:11 pm (et) Basecat: The whole "court martial" stuff left a bad taste in my mouth. No way those captured could ever get a fair trial...and you knew what the outcome would be after pontificating, and then adjourning to have brandy and cigars, and those sitting around finding some solace with a group, instead of standing up for their own thoughts on the matter.2/17/2008 10:11 pm (et) Susansweet: I was amazed that they found a lawyer to represent Andrews.
2/17/2008 10:11 pm (et) bluelady: Now one thing that I got from this section is that if you wanted the truth about what happened, go to early reports of the event. There you will find a report that time did not have the chance to have embellishments placed on it.2/17/2008 10:12 pm (et) amhistoryguy: Wondering now what was the northern response to the capture of the raiders? Any military demands they would be treated as POW's - might be in future reading.
2/17/2008 10:12 pm (et) Basecat: The CW could actually have a subtitle...Rush to Judgment...and those on the wrong side, your life is over no matter what you say.2/17/2008 10:12 pm (et) bluelady: Well that guy was a strong unionist and had a run in with Zolli IIRC.
2/17/2008 10:12 pm (et) Susansweet: I read that too Blue.2/17/2008 10:13 pm (et) Susansweet: Yep they mention the run in with Zolli.
2/17/2008 10:13 pm (et) bluelady: amhg..that I think came after the hangings...might be revealed in the future readings.2/17/2008 10:13 pm (et) Susansweet: Amazing aimed straight at the guy and still missed. He must have been near sighted for sure.
2/17/2008 10:14 pm (et) bluelady: Wasn't that near sighted ness what got him killed later?2/17/2008 10:14 pm (et) Susansweet: Yes.
2/17/2008 10:14 pm (et) Susansweet: He rode right into a union camp.2/17/2008 10:15 pm (et) bluelady: Ok, I thought he was the one who did that.
2/17/2008 10:15 pm (et) Susansweet: The man was almost blind.2/17/2008 10:16 pm (et) Basecat: The other thing that struck me funny...and it happened in various events of the CW, and Russ captured it greatly, the rush of new tunes about the Raid after it was over. :) In an odd way, it shows how much music was important back then as well.:)
2/17/2008 10:18 pm (et) bluelady: Well, music was the one way of telling a story in an entertaining type of way...no movies back then so they put the story to music.2/17/2008 10:19 pm (et) Basecat: Blue, and some of the songs lifted the morale of those captured...Found it interesting how much was devoted to that type of dealing with the story.
2/17/2008 10:20 pm (et) Babs: I thought the singing was in the movie just because Fess Parker was in it.2/17/2008 10:20 pm (et) bluelady: Music does that base! :)
2/17/2008 10:20 pm (et) Susansweet: People did alot of sitting around and singing in those days before record players etc.2/17/2008 10:21 pm (et) bluelady: Singing was something that men in POW camps have done over the ages...I read about Vietnam prisoners who passed the time singing hymns.
2/17/2008 10:21 pm (et) Susansweet: Arlo Guthrie one night at a concert said he thought it strange that a hundred years ago people sat on the front porch and sang and played together now they come to watch him and others like him sing and pay money to do it.2/17/2008 10:22 pm (et) bluelady: This is the part of the story where in later years, others will "gang up" on Pittenger.
2/17/2008 10:22 pm (et) Susansweet: Interesting they had already planned to sing Star Spangled Banner at the end of their trial.2/17/2008 10:22 pm (et) jbuck: Their last act of defiance was to sing the Star Spangled Banner at their hanging!
2/17/2008 10:24 pm (et) bluelady: Another point about that song is that it would not become the national anthem until Mar 3, 19312/17/2008 10:24 pm (et) bluelady: That is a date easy for me to remember because that is my mother's birthday! :)
2/17/2008 10:24 pm (et) Susansweet: Oh yeah that's right .2/17/2008 10:25 pm (et) Susansweet: Was no national anthem at the time .
2/17/2008 10:25 pm (et) bluelady: Nope.2/17/2008 10:25 pm (et) bluelady: interesting that the trial was in Knoxville and not Chattanooga...any thoughts as to why?
2/17/2008 10:26 pm (et) Susansweet: Found it interesting that they were taken back to Atlanta with the General pulling the train.2/17/2008 10:26 pm (et) bluelady: Oops sorry the raiders trial not Andrews.
2/17/2008 10:26 pm (et) bluelady: I am thinking that was done on purpose Susan.2/17/2008 10:27 pm (et) Susansweet: He says in the book the people were getting too familiar with the raiders
2/17/2008 10:27 pm (et) jbuck: Sweet irony.2/17/2008 10:27 pm (et) Susansweet: Take it somewhere that people didn't know them as well.
2/17/2008 10:27 pm (et) bluelady: Oh yea..that's right.. I had forgotten that.2/17/2008 10:28 pm (et) Basecat: Blue, Only thing I could think of is that by moving it they would get a "fair" trial...Knoxville was a divided city as you know...IIRC, on the same street each side had recruiting offices on it it. But up north, Most thought Knoxville was for the most part Union, and the trial was placed there and they found guilty, as a symbol that even in a so-called Union town, they got a fair trial. Just my thoughts on this, and nothing more.
2/17/2008 10:29 pm (et) bluelady: But an occupied Union town and the trial was still conducted by Rebs.2/17/2008 10:30 pm (et) Susansweet: Bond also says it may have been that there were not enough officers to sit on a court martial in Chattanooga.
2/17/2008 10:30 pm (et) bluelady: I did learn from this book why so many of the condemned were from the 2nd Ohio.2/17/2008 10:31 pm (et) Basecat: Blue...Exactly, and am still scratching my head as to why the trial was allowed.
2/17/2008 10:32 pm (et) Basecat: Susan, Russ would give us a better answer...and if he does rejoin us for chat, will be the first thing I ask in here.2/17/2008 10:32 pm (et) bluelady: Because of the need for a deterrent Basecat...the Rebs wanted to make sure it would not happen again...and I believe as you do that their fate was sealed as soon as they were captured.
2/17/2008 10:32 pm (et) jbuck: Wish Russell was here so i could ask why he choose to describe Wollam as 'slippery'! ;-02/17/2008 10:33 pm (et) bluelady: Maybe he was small and quick jbuck! ;)
2/17/2008 10:34 pm (et) Basecat: Blue, If I was one of the Raiders, and trial was held in an occupied town, I would expect those who are on the same side would not have let it happen. Yet another strange twist to the outcome of this story, and can only be summed up as in Only in America. :)2/17/2008 10:34 pm (et) bluelady: Then when the "decision" reached Andrews.
2/17/2008 10:34 pm (et) Babs: Jbuck, It does give your kin a bit of personality, doesn't it?2/17/2008 10:35 pm (et) bluelady: But who was in Knoxville that could stop it base? Another good reason for the Rebs to have it there.
2/17/2008 10:35 pm (et) Basecat: Blue...Which is a good point....and one the Rebs took advantage of.2/17/2008 10:36 pm (et) bluelady: Exactly.
2/17/2008 10:36 pm (et) jbuck: Yes Babs - he had an important part in the plot anyway!2/17/2008 10:37 pm (et) bluelady: When Andrews received news of his fate...That is when the others knew that the outcome was probably already foretold.
2/17/2008 10:38 pm (et) bluelady: And already decided2/17/2008 10:38 pm (et) Basecat: Know our time for chat tonight is coming to an end. If no one objects...Homework will be Chapters 12, 13, and 14 for next week, and the following week the book chat on this story will culminate with fireworks and all such things American with the reading of Chapters 15, 16 and the Epilog Caboose Sound like a good plan for all you readers out there?
2/17/2008 10:39 pm (et) mobile_96: Sounds fine to me2/17/2008 10:39 pm (et) bluelady: sounds good here Basecat.
2/17/2008 10:39 pm (et) Susansweet: Sounds good to me.2/17/2008 10:39 pm (et) amhistoryguy: Sounds good basecat - thanks for running the show.
2/17/2008 10:39 pm (et) Babs: Ok by me. I am anxious to read the rest of it.2/17/2008 10:39 pm (et) Susansweet: Thanks Base.
2/17/2008 10:40 pm (et) Susansweet: Me too Babs2/17/2008 10:40 pm (et) Basecat: Just noticed a few had mentioned they did not wish to stop reading after this week's HW assignment was done. It will be posted on the board. Hopefully Russ will be able to join us, if not next week, but during the finale of the chat of this very fine book he has written.
2/17/2008 10:40 pm (et) bluelady: Babs this is my second time through and I still glean info from it.2/17/2008 10:42 pm (et) bluelady: Very fine indeed..
2/17/2008 10:42 pm (et) Babs: This has been a very good book not like homework at all.2/17/2008 10:42 pm (et) Susansweet: I have really enjoyed it.
2/17/2008 10:42 pm (et) secret squirrel: Yes, I love this story.2/17/2008 10:42 pm (et) bluelady: Well all I actually have the day off tomorrow and not due to snow! or Ice!
2/17/2008 10:43 pm (et) Basecat: BTW...Think it is appropriate that a book on Trains, the last section of the book is titled Caboose. :) Fits well, IMHO. I thank you all for your participation in the book chat tonight, and as always. You are now all dismissed from Book Chat, and the room is once again open to whatever you wish to chat about. Thanks again. :)
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