Book Chat
Stealing The General:
The Great Locomotive Chase and The First Medal of Honor
by
Russell Bonds

This chat took place in the Civil War Home Chatroom on 02/02/08 and covered Chapters 5 & 6

2/2/2008 9:03 pm (et) Basecat: Welcome to this week's book Chat. Tonight we will continue to discuss the book Stealing The General: The Great Locomotive Chase and the First Medal of Honor by Russ Bonds. The discussion will begin with thoughts questions and answers from Chapter 5 All Aboard My thanks to Blue for taking over the past two weekends. Ok Blue...You may begin. :)

2/2/2008 9:04 pm (et) bluelady: Ok folks we are ready to start chapter 5 all aboard!

2/2/2008 9:05 pm (et) bluelady: The picture of Fuller is meant to portray a man that takes his job seriously.

2/2/2008 9:05 pm (et) Susansweet: Interesting how Atlanta got it's name.

2/2/2008 9:06 pm (et) bluelady: But I meant the picture that Bonds WROTE.

2/2/2008 9:06 pm (et) bluelady: Yes it is and what it was called before.

2/2/2008 9:07 pm (et) Susansweet: I did like the description.  Although the picture of him with little hair is not the description Bond paints.

2/2/2008 9:07 pm (et) Susansweet: Hair swept back falling to his collar.

2/2/2008 9:07 pm (et) bluelady: Sure.. he did say prematurely balding.

2/2/2008 9:08 pm (et) Susansweet: I see that now.  Sorry.

2/2/2008 9:08 pm (et) bluelady: I reminds me of the Ruffan pic...long hair and bald middle.

2/2/2008 9:08 pm (et) Susansweet: He must have looked dapper in that plush vest and ruffled linen shirt.

2/2/2008 9:10 pm (et) Susansweet: And yes I know the Ruffan picture you mean.

2/2/2008 9:11 pm (et) bluelady: Fuller was a true believer in the Southern cause. He tried to join the militia but the governor said railroad men were needed right there...on the railroad.

2/2/2008 9:11 pm (et) Susansweet: Interesting note that he wore a slouch hat.

2/2/2008 9:12 pm (et) Babs: Guess the gov was right in Fuller's case. He turned out to be valuable.

2/2/2008 9:12 pm (et) mobile_96: I think railroaders were one of the very few jobs unaffected by conscription thru the war.

2/2/2008 9:12 pm (et) Susansweet: I think that was true even up to and including ww2.

2/2/2008 9:12 pm (et) jbuck: Babs, I was thinking the same thing

2/2/2008 9:13 pm (et) Babs: Mobile, both sides?

2/2/2008 9:13 pm (et) bluelady: It was one that was necessary...kind of like what farmers had in WWII.

2/2/2008 9:14 pm (et) Susansweet: Babs I think so , my great grandfather was a railroad man engineer and he didn't serve.  Worked with the quartermasters department late in the war.

2/2/2008 9:14 pm (et) mobile_96: Not sure about the north, but I think Susan is correct.

2/2/2008 9:14 pm (et) bluelady: I think my father in law had an exemption as a farmer.

2/2/2008 9:15 pm (et) bluelady: And my dad was too young.

2/2/2008 9:15 pm (et) Susansweet: I have hear Ole say his father or grandfather had an exemption as a farmer.

2/2/2008 9:15 pm (et) 20thMass: My uncle had exemption as a farmer in WW2.

2/2/2008 9:15 pm (et) Babs: blue, you mean in WWII, right? Farmers had to go in the CW.

2/2/2008 9:15 pm (et) Basecat: Just an aside from the Peanut Gallery, main reason why many did not serve is, and especially in the north, they had to keep the trains going.

2/2/2008 9:16 pm (et) Susansweet: Right.

2/2/2008 9:16 pm (et) bluelady: Babs,  I thought I did say WWII.

2/2/2008 9:16 pm (et) Babs: My bad.

2/2/2008 9:17 pm (et) bluelady: and farmers did have to go in the CW...I think I can say that most people back then WERE farmers.

2/2/2008 9:17 pm (et) bluelady: Or in the farming industry.

2/2/2008 9:17 pm (et) mobile_96: Trains were of a super vital importance for both sides.

2/2/2008 9:17 pm (et) bluelady: But now back to the General.

2/2/2008 9:17 pm (et) Susansweet: yep other great grandfather was a farmer and he went.

2/2/2008 9:18 pm (et) Gus: I liked "well proportioned beauty with no vices except smoking and drinking". I could picture the loco very well, almost smell the smoke (I like trains :0)

2/2/2008 9:18 pm (et) Babs: That was a good line.

2/2/2008 9:19 pm (et) bluelady: It seems to me that a look into what was going to happen in the future of the war has to be said that most of the engines made for the W&A were made in the north including the general

2/2/2008 9:19 pm (et) bluelady: AND even some of the men that ran them.

2/2/2008 9:19 pm (et) mobile_96: Very good line.

2/2/2008 9:20 pm (et) Susansweet: That was an interesting bit of information.

2/2/2008 9:20 pm (et) jbuck: Would have been interesting to know where the name "General" did originate.

2/2/2008 9:21 pm (et) Babs: I'm thinking it became more important the later into the war it went. Hard to get spare parts.

2/2/2008 9:21 pm (et) bluelady: Jeff Cain, PA; Anthony Murphy...another from PA.

2/2/2008 9:21 pm (et) mobile_96: And many trains were run to death, by mid war.

2/2/2008 9:22 pm (et) bluelady: Mobile probably because of what babs said.

2/2/2008 9:22 pm (et) Gus: I bet there was a fair bit of men like the northern railroad man. Might have been thinking I will ride this "little war out".

2/2/2008 9:23 pm (et) bluelady: yes jbuck.. I wonder what general they were thinking of in Patterson when they made her.

2/2/2008 9:23 pm (et) 20thMass: How well could they have been made because I am sure they were forced to crank them out as fast as they could.

2/2/2008 9:23 pm (et) Susansweet: Interesting that Atlanta was full of Yankees because of the railroad. I hear people now say it is more Yankee than southern.

2/2/2008 9:24 pm (et) Babs: I heard that too, Susan, after the recent growth.

2/2/2008 9:24 pm (et) Susansweet: So it seems it always was .

2/2/2008 9:25 pm (et) Gus: I also thought of that Susan......I got a kick out of the guy turning down the real estate.

2/2/2008 9:25 pm (et) bluelady: One railroader wrote;" The fighting has commenced, and railroad men were exempted, for which I am truly glad, for I was not mad enough to fight, and I always had to be awful mad to fight anyway."

2/2/2008 9:25 pm (et) mobile_96: Heard that maybe 10 years ago Susan.

2/2/2008 9:26 pm (et) Babs: Anyway, General sounds more forceful than Flying Nelly.

2/2/2008 9:26 pm (et) Susansweet: lol,  it does at that Babs.

2/2/2008 9:27 pm (et) bluelady: Anything more about the beginning of the chapter..?

2/2/2008 9:27 pm (et) Babs: I could feel the tension of waiting for the action to begin.

2/2/2008 9:28 pm (et) bluelady: The raiders boarded at Marietta..

2/2/2008 9:28 pm (et) bluelady: A final meeting was held in Andrew's room...thoughts on the meeting?

2/2/2008 9:29 pm (et) Susansweet: So they only rode the train for eight miles.

2/2/2008 9:29 pm (et) bluelady: As "passengers"...yes.

2/2/2008 9:30 pm (et) Susansweet: Right

2/2/2008 9:30 pm (et) Babs: Guess they had no choice of when to nab it. Had to do it when everyone went to breakfast.

2/2/2008 9:30 pm (et) bluelady: The meeting strikes me in this way...you could tell the "military" men from the ones that weren't.

2/2/2008 9:30 pm (et) Gus: I was thinking of the finality of the meeting.

2/2/2008 9:30 pm (et) jbuck: What do you folks think about Hawkins & Porter missing the train?

2/2/2008 9:31 pm (et) jbuck: Hawkins was so important - you'd think he make sure he was there.

2/2/2008 9:31 pm (et) bluelady: I think they forgot to tip the porter and he didn't wake them.

2/2/2008 9:31 pm (et) mobile_96: Wonder if the ones that considered backing out, had considered the trip home.

2/2/2008 9:31 pm (et) Susansweet: How so Blue.

2/2/2008 9:31 pm (et) bluelady: Besides they were there way before anyone else.

2/2/2008 9:31 pm (et) jbuck: True.

2/2/2008 9:32 pm (et) Susansweet: Telling the military men from the ones that were not?

2/2/2008 9:32 pm (et) jbuck: If i was that important to the team i wouldn't be trusting it to the porter!

2/2/2008 9:33 pm (et) Babs: I would have thought someone would have gone to get them since one was the main engineer. I suppose they feared it would arouse suspicion.

2/2/2008 9:33 pm (et) bluelady: Well Susan...look at what the ranking soldier was trying to do when it came time for questions...he was trying to stop it...he figured Mitchel would keep to the timetable...Andrews didn't think he could...Ross saw the camp and thought it would be impossible.

2/2/2008 9:33 pm (et) Gus: I am with you Jbuck.

2/2/2008 9:34 pm (et) bluelady: Well I don't know what kind of alarm clocks there were back then jbuck but if there were, I don't thing Hawkins and Porter carried on with them on the trip down.

2/2/2008 9:34 pm (et) Susansweet: Thanks that is what I was thinking but hadn't got it together as clearly as you stated it .

2/2/2008 9:35 pm (et) Gus: I don't know if I would have been able to sleep well.

2/2/2008 9:35 pm (et) bluelady: And like I said earlier...they made it to Marietta well ahead of the others.

2/2/2008 9:36 pm (et) Babs: I doubt many of them got much sleep.

2/2/2008 9:36 pm (et) mobile_96: Did anyone even mention how they slept?

2/2/2008 9:36 pm (et) Babs: I think it said "not much". Four hours at most.

2/2/2008 9:36 pm (et) bluelady: They mentioned not much sleep.

2/2/2008 9:37 pm (et) bluelady: Right Babs.

2/2/2008 9:37 pm (et) mobile_96: More a nap than sleep.

2/2/2008 9:38 pm (et) Susansweet: Sometimes I wonder about after the fact statements such as I will succeed or leave my bones in Dixie. Do you think that is what Andrews said ?

2/2/2008 9:39 pm (et) bluelady: 2 weeks ago we had a bit of disagreement on Andrew's intention...if it was with just getting money I don't think he would have said this; "Boys. I tried this once before and failed, now, I will succeed or leave my bones in Dixie."

2/2/2008 9:39 pm (et) Gus: They always strike me as dramatic.....people of the time.

2/2/2008 9:41 pm (et) mobile_96: Posturing

2/2/2008 9:41 pm (et) Babs: Some of the letters and diaries written at the time had dramatic statements so who knows what Andrews really said.

2/2/2008 9:41 pm (et) bluelady: Well I just looked up the footnote in the back...both Parrot and Pittenger said this meeting took place.. Knight denies it.

2/2/2008 9:42 pm (et) Susansweet: Interesting.

2/2/2008 9:42 pm (et) Gus: We do know he talked them into going ahead and we know he knew the dangers.

2/2/2008 9:42 pm (et) bluelady: But I need to give this part away.. I think that Knight and Pittenger had many disagreements about the story.

2/2/2008 9:42 pm (et) Babs: They seemed to get their stories tangled as time passed.

2/2/2008 9:42 pm (et) Susansweet: Today they would video tape the whole thing.

2/2/2008 9:42 pm (et) bluelady: Babs and I think some of that was on purpose.

2/2/2008 9:42 pm (et) Susansweet: It just seems to pat to have him say that.

2/2/2008 9:43 pm (et) Babs: And argue if the tape had been doctored.

2/2/2008 9:43 pm (et) Susansweet: lol, true.

2/2/2008 9:44 pm (et) bluelady: True but Pittenger has Parrot to collaborate.

2/2/2008 9:44 pm (et) mobile_96: Not just the raiders, but everyone that became involved.

2/2/2008 9:44 pm (et) bluelady: Knight had no one.

2/2/2008 9:45 pm (et) Gus: Can you imagine ... would be like someone stealing a fighter jet or battle ship...lol

2/2/2008 9:45 pm (et) bluelady: Hawkins being left behind was a stroke of bad luck but Alf Wilson believes that having him as the engineer would not have made any difference.

2/2/2008 9:46 pm (et) bluelady: Hawkins and Porter walking about town trying not to Look like Yankees..hehe

2/2/2008 9:46 pm (et) Susansweet: That must have been sooo scary.

2/2/2008 9:46 pm (et) bluelady: lol Gus..but don't give any terrorists ideas!

2/2/2008 9:46 pm (et) Susansweet: oh sh*t, how do we get home now?!!!!

2/2/2008 9:47 pm (et) bluelady: And they almost made it..

2/2/2008 9:47 pm (et) bluelady: hehe

2/2/2008 9:48 pm (et) bluelady: Any more on this chapter?

2/2/2008 9:48 pm (et) bluelady: 20 minutes for breakfast!

2/2/2008 9:48 pm (et) Babs: If I ever knew, I forgot that trains didn't have real brakes yet. Not sure which chapter that was in.

2/2/2008 9:48 pm (et) Susansweet: Don't you wonder what was in Andrews saddle bags?

2/2/2008 9:49 pm (et) Susansweet: Next one.

2/2/2008 9:49 pm (et) Basecat: Chapter 6 Someone Is Running Off With Your Train!

2/2/2008 9:49 pm (et) Babs: map? toothbrush?

2/2/2008 9:49 pm (et) bluelady: Yes I do wonder that..

2/2/2008 9:50 pm (et) Susansweet: Interesting how Big Shanty got it's name.

2/2/2008 9:50 pm (et) bluelady: Big Shanty...named for the shacks by the railroads.. now called Kennesaw.

2/2/2008 9:50 pm (et) bluelady: And now the home of the General as well.

2/2/2008 9:50 pm (et) cwbksell: They planned to burn bridges and tear up track, yet they brought no tools with which to do so? (page 120)

2/2/2008 9:51 pm (et) Susansweet: Right.  But it was the big grade up to the shanties.

2/2/2008 9:51 pm (et) Gus: Might have been hard to carry and hide the tools.

2/2/2008 9:51 pm (et) bluelady: Exactly cwbksell.

2/2/2008 9:51 pm (et) jbuck: Yes, they should have taken more than the crowbar from that work crew.

2/2/2008 9:52 pm (et) bluelady: And I think that part they were going to improvise...but I think that Andrews first thought was going to tell his supply story and stick to the schedule of the General...I think the tearing up rails might have been a last min. afterthought.

2/2/2008 9:53 pm (et) Basecat: Sorry, but could not resist...Wondering how Andrews would have fit MAP into his saddlebags, but he was an industrious fellow. Back to the Peanut Gallery. :)

2/2/2008 9:53 pm (et) Susansweet: I can't imagine how they felt when they pulled into town and saw Camp McDonald.

2/2/2008 9:53 pm (et) bluelady: Especially after seeing the Yonah.

2/2/2008 9:53 pm (et) bluelady: Basecat...go back to sleep! heheh booo hisss

2/2/2008 9:54 pm (et) bluelady: They noticed that the evening before on their trip to Marietta.

2/2/2008 9:54 pm (et) Babs: Base, That was a lower case map, not MaryAlice :^)

2/2/2008 9:54 pm (et) mobile_96: Thought tearing up rails was much of the reason for the trip.

2/2/2008 9:54 pm (et) Susansweet: Mobile think it was more burning the bridges.

2/2/2008 9:54 pm (et) Susansweet: And destroying the telegraph lines.

2/2/2008 9:55 pm (et) Babs: Why did they take the rail with them? So it could not be replaced easily?

2/2/2008 9:55 pm (et) Susansweet: Mrs. Lacy's breakfast made me hungry.

2/2/2008 9:55 pm (et) Susansweet: And all for 25 cents.

2/2/2008 9:55 pm (et) bluelady: That was my first thought Susan.

2/2/2008 9:56 pm (et) bluelady: I believe so Babs and as another tool...a fulcrum.

2/2/2008 9:56 pm (et) Babs: Oh good point. With a big enough lever....

2/2/2008 9:56 pm (et) bluelady: That was a big breakfast for 20 min and maybe 2 seatings.

2/2/2008 9:57 pm (et) mobile_96: Destroy the telegraph lines, tear up the railroad track, and burn bridges-pg 46

2/2/2008 9:57 pm (et) bluelady: Right lever...fulcrum is the pivot point.

2/2/2008 9:57 pm (et) Susansweet: Thanks Mobile.

2/2/2008 9:58 pm (et) Susansweet: Maybe thought the tools would be on the train.

2/2/2008 9:58 pm (et) bluelady: Thanks Mobile...I wonder why in that last meeting Andrews didn't make those assignments as well.

2/2/2008 9:58 pm (et) bluelady: Or he was depending on the rest of the men to know what to do.

2/2/2008 9:59 pm (et) mobile_96: Good question Blue.

2/2/2008 9:59 pm (et) bluelady: That too Susan...since sometimes repairs had to be made on the way.

2/2/2008 10:00 pm (et) mobile_96: Maybe because the idea was to just tear up everything they could, in as short a time as possible.

2/2/2008 10:00 pm (et) mobile_96: Just a tornado running down the track.

2/2/2008 10:00 pm (et) bluelady: In hopes that nothing would be coming behind right from the start and they would be home free.

2/2/2008 10:01 pm (et) mobile_96: Maybe it was later in the war before they made sure tools were always carried.

2/2/2008 10:01 pm (et) mobile_96: Besides, there might have been, but in the cars dropped off.

2/2/2008 10:02 pm (et) Susansweet: Another oops in their plan.

2/2/2008 10:02 pm (et) bluelady: The detachment of the passenger cars...the other men getting in the boxcars...Andrews walking forward to see if the switch was correct was done in full view of the confederate camp and no one challenged them!

2/2/2008 10:02 pm (et) Babs: Maybe. There is not a lot of room in the engine's cab.

2/2/2008 10:03 pm (et) cwbksell: Best part of the book so far has been the discussion on the "cow catcher" (page 80) Seems as though there were a good number of passengers who complained about the train traveling too slow. It was the joke of the times that the cow catcher was improperly named. as "this train can never overtake a cow." They suggested that it should instead be attached to the end of the train "to discourage cows from climbing aboard the coaches and disturbing the passengers." Now, how many of the people remember reading that?

2/2/2008 10:03 pm (et) Susansweet: Amazing no one challenged them at all.

2/2/2008 10:03 pm (et) bluelady: You would think the tools would have been in the boxcars and not the passenger cars left behind.

2/2/2008 10:03 pm (et) Babs: They were used to a lot of train activity and worried about their own breakfast.

2/2/2008 10:04 pm (et) bluelady: I remember that and had a good laugh over it cwbksell.

2/2/2008 10:04 pm (et) Susansweet: Mail and baggage coach was left. they could have been in there.

2/2/2008 10:04 pm (et) Susansweet: I loved that part about the cowcatcher.

2/2/2008 10:04 pm (et) jbuck: When you look at the cow catcher it look too 'frail' to catch anything anyway.

2/2/2008 10:05 pm (et) bluelady: And Babs pg 111 has your description of no brakes.

2/2/2008 10:05 pm (et) Babs: I wonder why the General's cow catcher was so pointy.

2/2/2008 10:05 pm (et) Susansweet: jbuck they are huge though.

2/2/2008 10:05 pm (et) Susansweet: That is how they were at that time.

2/2/2008 10:05 pm (et) jbuck: Yes, those widow makers are monsters.

2/2/2008 10:05 pm (et) bluelady: Ah right Susan but no one knows for sure if that was even part of their thoughts.

2/2/2008 10:06 pm (et) Susansweet: The Texas has the same shape.

2/2/2008 10:06 pm (et) bluelady: I think the Texas is also a 4-4-0.

2/2/2008 10:06 pm (et) mobile_96: Or maybe most tools were kept in the caboose, which I think was also a work car, of sorts, not having a caboose was not as common in the south.

2/2/2008 10:07 pm (et) jbuck: Yes it was blue.

2/2/2008 10:07 pm (et) Babs: blue. yes. the book said it was also 4-4-0.

2/2/2008 10:08 pm (et) mobile_96: More common I meant.

2/2/2008 10:09 pm (et) Babs: That imagine of Fuller running down the tracks is right out of the movie.

2/2/2008 10:10 pm (et) Susansweet: I know who would believe that , chasing a train on foot.

2/2/2008 10:10 pm (et) bluelady: The railroad men were having breakfast...and here we see the rift between Fuller and Murphy...one trying to make himself more important after the fact.

2/2/2008 10:11 pm (et) Babs: Everyone wants to be the hero.

2/2/2008 10:11 pm (et) mobile_96: And it seems to have gotten worse in later years.

2/2/2008 10:11 pm (et) Susansweet: Do you think Murphy or Fuller is the one that is telling the story?

2/2/2008 10:12 pm (et) Susansweet: Or both.

2/2/2008 10:12 pm (et) cwbksell: I was impressed with the aggressiveness of General Mitchell. Too bad for the Union that he would die of Yellow fever before the end of that year. Could not understand General Thomas. He liked the idea of East Tennessee Unionists burning bridges and even offered support (page 10) but by page 12 he changed his mind and left the saboteurs to fend for themselves. Maybe he was not ready to be the Rock of Chickamauga yet? (am I writing too much?)

2/2/2008 10:12 pm (et) Gus: Maybe both....for me.

2/2/2008 10:12 pm (et) Babs: Conductors and engineers I work with still debate which job is more important.

2/2/2008 10:12 pm (et) bluelady: I'm not sure.. Fuller seems to change his story later at times.  In something else I read he was one to take others to task to be sure the story was told "right"

2/2/2008 10:13 pm (et) mobile_96: cwbksell, never.

2/2/2008 10:13 pm (et) Basecat: cwbksell...Write as much as you wish. No limit to opinions here.

2/2/2008 10:13 pm (et) Gus: lol babs.  I know some RR guys as well.

2/2/2008 10:13 pm (et) bluelady: He was a cautious conservative general at the beginning of the war like many of his colleagues.

2/2/2008 10:15 pm (et) Susansweet: Interesting that two of the men followed Fuller but Anderson didn't .

2/2/2008 10:15 pm (et) bluelady: Murphy spun it as a collaborative event with him playing a substantial role but Fuller would in the years to come place himself as the hero of the day with others play just a supporting role.. now who would you believe?

2/2/2008 10:16 pm (et) mobile_96: Thought that odd Susan.

2/2/2008 10:16 pm (et) Susansweet: And nothing was ever said about it either Mobile

2/2/2008 10:16 pm (et) bluelady: But they both agreed it was their duty to go after them and that possibly they were deserters from the camp.

2/2/2008 10:16 pm (et) Susansweet: But then all the others standing around didn't do much to help either.

2/2/2008 10:17 pm (et) mobile_96: And who followed the entire way.

2/2/2008 10:18 pm (et) bluelady: They viewed it as slapstick.

2/2/2008 10:18 pm (et) Susansweet: Well think about it , it was slapstick.

2/2/2008 10:18 pm (et) cwbksell: But I believe Murphy was in his mid 40s and most likely thought he was not in condition to run a marathon on railroad ties yet.

2/2/2008 10:18 pm (et) Babs: So did Buster Keaton.

2/2/2008 10:18 pm (et) Susansweet: And he did a great job.

2/2/2008 10:19 pm (et) bluelady: In his excitement Knight yanked the throttle too hard and the general spun her wheels.

2/2/2008 10:20 pm (et) Gus: What was the avg. age of the raiders?

2/2/2008 10:20 pm (et) Gus: Very young right?

2/2/2008 10:20 pm (et) Susansweet: And then it ran out of steam. How scary.

2/2/2008 10:20 pm (et) bluelady: But soon lurched into motion.

2/2/2008 10:20 pm (et) bluelady: Well the oldest was 33 and the youngest was 19?

2/2/2008 10:21 pm (et) bluelady: I'm going to say about 22 or 23.. I'd have to add the ages and divide...but not now! hehe

2/2/2008 10:21 pm (et) cwbksell: There was an open damper (?) they discovered and when closed they were able to build steam again.

2/2/2008 10:21 pm (et) jbuck: Was thinking Shadrach was younger than 19 -

2/2/2008 10:21 pm (et) Susansweet: Mostly under 30 then.

2/2/2008 10:22 pm (et) Susansweet: Right cwb.

2/2/2008 10:22 pm (et) mobile_96: Youngest was 17.

2/2/2008 10:23 pm (et) Babs: Shadrach was 21.

2/2/2008 10:23 pm (et) bluelady: Perry Shadrach was 21.

2/2/2008 10:23 pm (et) cwbksell: I would guess less than 30 since most of them were young lads who had just joined up. Most likely the engeneers and Andrews were over 30.

2/2/2008 10:24 pm (et) bluelady: After they got out of Big Shanty in one piece Al Dorsey was in a very good mood.

2/2/2008 10:24 pm (et) bluelady: Andrews, George Wilson and Ross were all over 30.

2/2/2008 10:25 pm (et) Babs: That had to be a big relief to get that far. Clear sailing after that.

2/2/2008 10:25 pm (et) Gus: So young, I was bullet proof then, I know how they were feeling...

2/2/2008 10:26 pm (et) Susansweet: Then they come up on the repair crew.

2/2/2008 10:26 pm (et) bluelady: oops not Ross.

2/2/2008 10:26 pm (et) Babs: Gus, I was thinking the same. Boys don't know danger until at least 25.

2/2/2008 10:27 pm (et) Susansweet: I love the thought of stepping down, hello can we borrow some tools from you ?

2/2/2008 10:27 pm (et) bluelady: Ovid Smith ..left behind in Jasper was 17, Parrot was 18 as was Robertson.

2/2/2008 10:27 pm (et) Susansweet: And off they go again.

2/2/2008 10:27 pm (et) Susansweet: They were gutsy.

2/2/2008 10:28 pm (et) Babs: Had to be.

2/2/2008 10:28 pm (et) bluelady: But not before they had a real scare fixed by closing a damper.

2/2/2008 10:28 pm (et) Susansweet: Right.

2/2/2008 10:29 pm (et) Susansweet: Then Scott works his magic with the telegraph wires. love the attaching the wires to the train and driving off with the poles falling as they go .

2/2/2008 10:30 pm (et) bluelady: Here they kept to the schedule of the General hoping to get to Kingston before meeting up with any other train coming the other way.

2/2/2008 10:31 pm (et) bluelady: Kendrich sent to Atlanta by horse gets there and the Pennsylvania was sent on but nothing was to come of it gathering soldiers and being of any help.

2/2/2008 10:31 pm (et) bluelady: Porter and Hawkins decide it is time to get out of town...but were like blinded ducks...not knowing what to do next.

2/2/2008 10:32 pm (et) bluelady: At Allatoona a small station engine was there and after passing it Andrews stops again to tear up tracks.

2/2/2008 10:33 pm (et) bluelady: At this point they put the red flag on meaning an extra is running behind...helping with the supply train story.

2/2/2008 10:34 pm (et) Babs: I don't blame them for wanting to get out of town. Must have been something to be there hearing all the panic.

2/2/2008 10:34 pm (et) bluelady: And then Etowah..and the sighting of the Yonah..

2/2/2008 10:34 pm (et) bluelady: Right Babs that is what they said.

2/2/2008 10:35 pm (et) bluelady: The Yonah was also a 4-4-0.

2/2/2008 10:35 pm (et) mobile_96: And everyone running around talking about deserters, might not be long before they start questioning strangers.

2/2/2008 10:35 pm (et) Susansweet: But an older model.

2/2/2008 10:35 pm (et) bluelady: Already under steam...meaning it was ready to roll.

2/2/2008 10:36 pm (et) bluelady: Exactly mobile.

2/2/2008 10:36 pm (et) Susansweet: Andrews should have listened to Knight.

2/2/2008 10:36 pm (et) bluelady: If I seem to be rushing it is because I am noticing the time.

2/2/2008 10:36 pm (et) bluelady: And the other soldiers...take the yonah and its crew out!

2/2/2008 10:37 pm (et) Babs: At least it's not a school night.

2/2/2008 10:37 pm (et) Susansweet: True.

2/2/2008 10:37 pm (et) bluelady: He said it wouldn't make any difference.

2/2/2008 10:37 pm (et) mobile_96: He was sure wrong.

2/2/2008 10:37 pm (et) bluelady: True babs..:)

2/2/2008 10:37 pm (et) Babs: Huh? That hasn't happened yet.

2/2/2008 10:37 pm (et) Susansweet: The big what if ? What if they had destroyed the Yonah and the bridge ? Would they have made it?

2/2/2008 10:37 pm (et) Basecat: Blue...No need to rush, just let me know when you are choo-chooed out. ;)

2/2/2008 10:38 pm (et) mobile_96: And he should have tried to set fire to that bridge.

2/2/2008 10:38 pm (et) bluelady: But we found out before night...says Knight that it made all the difference in the world.

2/2/2008 10:38 pm (et) Babs: A portend.

2/2/2008 10:39 pm (et) bluelady: Hard to say susan

2/2/2008 10:39 pm (et) Susansweet: True , could have been something else along the way that we don't know .

2/2/2008 10:39 pm (et) Susansweet: But still makes you wonder.

2/2/2008 10:39 pm (et) bluelady: A whole lot of what ifs went along with that but this one allowed Fuller to catch up.

2/2/2008 10:40 pm (et) mobile_96: Wonder how long Bonds spent trying to sort this story out.

2/2/2008 10:40 pm (et) cwbksell: With all the rain they had there the previous week, I doubt they had much change getting any of the bridges to fire.

2/2/2008 10:40 pm (et) Gus: I find myself rooting for the raiders....and the pursuers....that's a good story :0)

2/2/2008 10:40 pm (et) Susansweet: Longer than Perry did with Bohemians.

2/2/2008 10:40 pm (et) bluelady: He had some help in early 20th century writings to help.

2/2/2008 10:41 pm (et) Babs: Maybe Bonds will come here soon and we can ask him.

2/2/2008 10:41 pm (et) Basecat: From the Peanut Gallery, and just as cwbksell mentioned, with all the rain, highly doubt they could have burned the bridge, plus I don't think they had time to do so.

2/2/2008 10:41 pm (et) bluelady: lol Susan...mobile hopefully you can ask him next Sunday.

2/2/2008 10:41 pm (et) mobile_96: Maybe cwbk, unless the timber was coated with creosote.

2/2/2008 10:41 pm (et) Basecat: Russ plans on joining us next weekend.

2/2/2008 10:41 pm (et) Susansweet: Gus I have always rooted for both sides in this story . From the first time I saw the movie .

2/2/2008 10:42 pm (et) mobile_96: Or did they coat timbers back then.

2/2/2008 10:42 pm (et) bluelady: Earlier they had the oil and wood to do that...use one of the boxcars and it might have done the trick...later because of lack of burnable material it doesn't but I don't want to get too far ahead.

2/2/2008 10:42 pm (et) Babs: Oh good. Blurb in the book says he lives in the area. He probably grew up on the story.

2/2/2008 10:42 pm (et) Gus: I want to see the movie.....can you rent it and if so what's the name?

2/2/2008 10:42 pm (et) mobile_96: coat=treat

2/2/2008 10:42 pm (et) Susansweet: Great Locomotive Chase.

2/2/2008 10:43 pm (et) Susansweet: Disney

2/2/2008 10:43 pm (et) Susansweet: I own a copy I bought at the Museum.

2/2/2008 10:43 pm (et) Gus: Thx

2/2/2008 10:43 pm (et) mobile_96: Which version Gus?

2/2/2008 10:43 pm (et) Susansweet: I am sure it is on Netflix.

2/2/2008 10:43 pm (et) Basecat: Babs...He has been studying the story since he was a kid.

2/2/2008 10:43 pm (et) Susansweet: Or the General.

2/2/2008 10:43 pm (et) bluelady: Yes he lives in Marietta.. I wonder if he knows my cousin that lives there.

2/2/2008 10:43 pm (et) Susansweet: Which I also own.

2/2/2008 10:44 pm (et) mobile_96: Or the Keaton version, which is great.

2/2/2008 10:44 pm (et) bluelady: Anything else on this chapter?

2/2/2008 10:44 pm (et) Susansweet: Which has some of the best site comedy ever by Buster Keaton.

2/2/2008 10:44 pm (et) Susansweet: Can't wait to read the next part.

2/2/2008 10:44 pm (et) Babs: I own the Keaton version.

2/2/2008 10:44 pm (et) Basecat: And as mentioned previously, the rights to his book have been purchased by Paramount Studios, and they will be making a movie based on his book.

2/2/2008 10:45 pm (et) bluelady: I read this book before and I know the story but I can't wait to hear everyone else's reaction.

2/2/2008 10:45 pm (et) Susansweet: Wonder who will play Fess Parker

2/2/2008 10:45 pm (et) mobile_96: LOL

2/2/2008 10:45 pm (et) Babs: Base, a theatrical release?

2/2/2008 10:45 pm (et) bluelady: That one I will go to the movies to see! :)

2/2/2008 10:45 pm (et) Basecat: Babs...Yes..a theatrical release.

2/2/2008 10:45 pm (et) mobile_96: And I'll go twice.

2/2/2008 10:46 pm (et) bluelady: Anything else on this chapter?

2/2/2008 10:46 pm (et) Susansweet: Too bad we don't live closer , would be fun to go with all of you.

2/2/2008 10:46 pm (et) Babs: I think Fess is still alive and growing wine grapes. Susan look him up and see if he wants to reprise his role,

2/2/2008 10:47 pm (et) bluelady: Sure would

2/2/2008 10:47 pm (et) mobile_96: Not sure he could Move around as fast this time.

2/2/2008 10:47 pm (et) Susansweet: Right.  I will rush up to Santa Barbara and ask him.

2/2/2008 10:47 pm (et) Susansweet: just a couple of hours drive.

2/2/2008 10:48 pm (et) Babs: Let's see, we could go see it on the same day and meet her to discuss it after.

2/2/2008 10:48 pm (et) Susansweet: If it is playing in the cities at the same time .

2/2/2008 10:48 pm (et) mobile_96: Are we done with this chapter?

2/2/2008 10:48 pm (et) Basecat: Guess that means Blue is Choo Chooed out..:) Many thanks to Blue Lady for filling in for me the past 2 weekends. You are the best Mary. :) Homework for next week will be chapters 7, 8, and 9. I hope to be caught up reading wise, and look forward to participating again. Reminder Book Chat returns to is normal Sunday evening time slot...9 PM EST.

2/2/2008 10:49 pm (et) Babs: That will depend on how big of a release it gets.

2/2/2008 10:49 pm (et) bluelady: enters the chatroom.

2/2/2008 10:49 pm (et) Gus: Thanks Bluelady I can't tell you how much I like these book chats...)

2/2/2008 10:49 pm (et) mobile_96: Buster, Fess and John Wayne in the same movie.

2/2/2008 10:49 pm (et) Susansweet: Blue does a great job. Hip Hip Hooray for Blue

2/2/2008 10:49 pm (et) bluelady: Sorry got booted by the choo choo.

2/2/2008 10:50 pm (et) Gus: Take care all...from deep in the Heart of Texas ......!

2/2/2008 10:50 pm (et) Susansweet: Okay will do it again , Hip Hip Hooray for Blue

2/2/2008 10:50 pm (et) mobile_96: With Hollywood, anything is possible.

2/2/2008 10:50 pm (et) bluelady: Thanks all...but I will be glad to pas the buck back to basecat again! :)

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