Book Chat
The Grand Havoc of Battle"
Kenneth W. Noe

This chat took place in the Civil War Home Chatroom on 05/10/09 and covered Chapters 7 & 8.

5/10/2009 9:05 pm (et) Susansweet: May 10, 2009 Perryville: This Grand Havoc of Battle by Kenneth Noe. please do not use pms during chat.

5/10/2009 9:06 pm (et) Susansweet: Chapter 7 To Strike a Blow

5/10/2009 9:06 pm (et) Susansweet: Back to Bragg making plans for Battle and changing his mind again . Must inadequate a Confederate government first.

5/10/2009 9:07 pm (et) Susansweet: More FFF

5/10/2009 9:07 pm (et) Widow: Susan, the only rationale I can figure out is that there wouldn't be any point to rescuing Kentucky if its government were still in the hands of the Yankees.

5/10/2009 9:07 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Richard Hawes - now you see him, now you don't.

5/10/2009 9:08 pm (et) Susansweet: comments ?

5/10/2009 9:08 pm (et) Pvt Miles: The scene described on pp. 129-130 struck me as comical (p. 130, “….prominent secessionists, despite brave promises only a few hours old, found themselves fleeing before the Federal army after all.”

5/10/2009 9:08 pm (et) bluelady: One thing I was Sills was one of the commanders...was the escaped Raiders.. I am thinking some of them found the lines close to this time...what a way to come back if that is true.

5/10/2009 9:08 pm (et) Pvt Miles: I can picture them beating it out of town as if they were riding the home stretch of the Derby.

5/10/2009 9:08 pm (et) Widow: Of course, the rescue could come first and the new governor later.

5/10/2009 9:09 pm (et) bluelady: Good one Miles.

5/10/2009 9:10 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Miles you're now the raiders expert, were they reaching union lines about this time? Or was that November?

5/10/2009 9:10 pm (et) bluelady: Can you imagine trying to discern intelligence a day after it is written...with Bragg's state of mind?

5/10/2009 9:10 pm (et) Susansweet: Miles it was comical all right. That and the part where Bragg envisioned another2 Manassas with Kirby Smith as Jackson.

5/10/2009 9:11 pm (et) Pvt Miles: They were about to make their prison break.

5/10/2009 9:11 pm (et) Susansweet: Bragg had a mind?

5/10/2009 9:11 pm (et) Widow: Yeah, but Bragg wasn't Lee and K Smith wasn't Jackson.

5/10/2009 9:12 pm (et) bluelady: A confused one for sure Susan.

5/10/2009 9:12 pm (et) Susansweet: Oh true he was one confused man.

5/10/2009 9:13 pm (et) Widow: Bluelady, bingo. I gave up trying to understand all his orders. Just as his subordinates must have, also.

5/10/2009 9:13 pm (et) Susansweet: As Noe says aside from his apparently troubled psyche Braggs biggest problem was. . .

5/10/2009 9:13 pm (et) mobile_96: And could spread that confusion far and wide.

5/10/2009 9:13 pm (et) Cleburne Fan: Bragg wasn't the only confused general at P-ville.

5/10/2009 9:13 pm (et) bluelady: Yep Miles I just looked it up October escape from Fulton County.

5/10/2009 9:13 pm (et) Widow: Not that Polk was any better at clarification.

5/10/2009 9:14 pm (et) bluelady: But in a defense to Bragg his subordinates were not ever that cooperative either.

5/10/2009 9:14 pm (et) Cleburne Fan: It seemed that few generals could write clear and concise messages and few could interpret the messages.

5/10/2009 9:14 pm (et) Widow: Bluelady, bingo again. I so agree with you.

5/10/2009 9:15 pm (et) Susansweet: Page 127 Noe mentions the biggest what if question of the Civil War.

5/10/2009 9:15 pm (et) bluelady: I liked Hardee's comment to the Dr. with the umbrella.

5/10/2009 9:15 pm (et) Widow: Hardee and Polk. What a pair!

5/10/2009 9:15 pm (et) Cleburne Fan: He snapped that umbrella right away.

5/10/2009 9:15 pm (et) Susansweet: Did Polk act correctly in ordering the retreat or should he have obeyed his orders and moved north despite the threat approaching him.

5/10/2009 9:15 pm (et) Cleburne Fan: To this day officers don't carry umbrellas.

5/10/2009 9:16 pm (et) Susansweet: Did like the umbrella story.

5/10/2009 9:16 pm (et) Cleburne Fan: Polk wasn't given to following orders, but that is what he was required to do.

5/10/2009 9:16 pm (et) Widow: Susan, I like the way Noe handled the discussion of Polk's decision.

5/10/2009 9:17 pm (et) mobile_96: Unless circumstances dictate otherwise.

5/10/2009 9:17 pm (et) Susansweet: Seems like many of Braggs men didn't like to follow orders of couse they may not have know which orders to follow.

5/10/2009 9:17 pm (et) Cleburne Fan: I've liked the way Noe has handled much of the book. He is my favorite kind of writer.

5/10/2009 9:17 pm (et) bluelady: Hmmm... Polk did not have the imagination to change his course on a following the orders that were made under different circumstances might not have been a bad idea but I still think he should have tried to listen to his commander.

5/10/2009 9:18 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Hi Cleburne Fan. I think you're CF and I'm LF...This book had to be difficult to write. Just trying to make sense of all the correspondence would be a challenge.

5/10/2009 9:19 pm (et) Cleburne Fan: How can a general commanding run a battle if each officer under him is running his own battle as an independent command which Polk seemed to do.

5/10/2009 9:19 pm (et) bluelady: another thing we also have to remember is how close to the beginning of the war this battle is and how green the troops are.

5/10/2009 9:19 pm (et) Babs: Noe must have had a whole wall of sticky notes trying to make a timeline for it.

5/10/2009 9:19 pm (et) Widow: I'm glad Noe did the heavy lifting in his analysis. I keep going back to re-read, in hopes it would clarify.

5/10/2009 9:19 pm (et) Susansweet: He can't that is the problem with this army.

5/10/2009 9:19 pm (et) Cleburne Fan: Hi, Lincoln Fan. Yes, Noe had to have done truly exhaustive research.

5/10/2009 9:19 pm (et) mobile_96: In hindsight, should he have moved north? What would/could happen if he did so.

5/10/2009 9:20 pm (et) bluelady: seems to me Polk always did would think that after all that Bragg would order him NOT to do something if he really wanted him to do it! hehe

5/10/2009 9:20 pm (et) Susansweet: I started reading Hafendorfer this week also and it is just as convuluted there too.

5/10/2009 9:20 pm (et) mobile_96: However, the commanding General was no where around.

5/10/2009 9:20 pm (et) Widow: Mobile, I can't imagine what would have happened. I can barely follow what really did happen.

5/10/2009 9:20 pm (et) Susansweet: Oh good idea Blue , don't do this what ever you do .

5/10/2009 9:21 pm (et) Cleburne Fan: I confess to trouble imagining the terrain even referring constantly to the maps.

5/10/2009 9:21 pm (et) mobile_96: Susan, I agree, but think Noe managed to read a little more deeply, and...more sources than Haf did.

5/10/2009 9:21 pm (et) Susansweet: The funny thing is Bragg wasn't that upset with Polk either.

5/10/2009 9:22 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: I think any book on Perryville would be the same - don't look for Cliffnotes.

5/10/2009 9:22 pm (et) Widow: Cleburne, yes, again the maps. When you're hot and thirsty and inhaling ankle-deep dust, you just hope the boss knows where he's going..

5/10/2009 9:22 pm (et) Cleburne Fan: It seems it pleased Bragg if somebody, anybody made a DECISION, because he couldn't.

5/10/2009 9:22 pm (et) mobile_96: CF, to get some idea of the terrain, check either my website, or for photos around Perry..

5/10/2009 9:22 pm (et) bluelady: CF (and not CK) I was trying to look at the map there and still did not get a grasp of the hills but as we learned from Noe last week, the publishers did not want all the maps he wanted to put in himself.

5/10/2009 9:22 pm (et) Susansweet: Right mobile but man the maps are many.

5/10/2009 9:22 pm (et) Widow: Actually, the boss doesn't even know where he is, or the enemy, or

5/10/2009 9:23 pm (et) bluelady: was still early in the war for him to get too mad at Polk yet.

5/10/2009 9:23 pm (et) Cleburne Fan: And he didn't have a GPS to help. How on earth did they fight a war with no GPS and cell phones?

5/10/2009 9:23 pm (et) Susansweet: True and poor Polk doesn't last too long.

5/10/2009 9:23 pm (et) mobile_96: Besides, how could he get mad, when he didn't even know what he wanted done from hour to hour.

5/10/2009 9:24 pm (et) Widow: Cleburne, the way it's described in this book. Bumbling and stumbling.

5/10/2009 9:24 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Buell overestimated his enemy and Bragg underestimated his enemy - adding to the confusion.

5/10/2009 9:24 pm (et) Cleburne Fan: Bishop Polk came to a terrible end I wouldn't wish on anyone.

5/10/2009 9:24 pm (et) bluelady: Right on mobile.

5/10/2009 9:25 pm (et) Cleburne Fan: Buell didn't seem to realize there WAS an enemy on the eighth.

5/10/2009 9:25 pm (et) bluelady: Basically this chapter was the battle of hills for a creek.

5/10/2009 9:26 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: B&G maps a little better. Still have to read, check map, and reread.

5/10/2009 9:26 pm (et) Babs: Water seem to be a huge problem in many battles. Did they ever consider carrying water in the wagons or would it have been too heavy?

5/10/2009 9:26 pm (et) bluelady: Perryville to water =Gettysburg to shoes

5/10/2009 9:26 pm (et) Cleburne Fan: Water was so vitally important and EVERY man and horse was desperate for it.

5/10/2009 9:26 pm (et) Widow: The couriers carrying the next change of orders must have met each other - one on the way out and the other on the way back. "Another change?" "Yep."

5/10/2009 9:26 pm (et) Susansweet: They would have had to find it and needed the room in the wagons to carry other things I would guess.

5/10/2009 9:27 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Was just going to say that Babs. Seems like the battle was fought there for the water.

5/10/2009 9:27 pm (et) bluelady: Too heavy and too much of a waste of materials and animals I would think babs.

5/10/2009 9:27 pm (et) Cleburne Fan: Plus it would have been hard to keep it pure.

5/10/2009 9:27 pm (et) Widow: Blue and Cleburne, men could march barefoot for days, but nobody, man or beast, can go long without water.

5/10/2009 9:27 pm (et) mobile_96: How many wagons would they need to supply each army, and then the troops would have been tied down completely to the wagons

5/10/2009 9:28 pm (et) Cleburne Fan: Of course, it wasn't pure anyway...just mud puddles at Doctor's Creek,

5/10/2009 9:28 pm (et) Susansweet: Wagons clogged the roads as it is and are slower moving than the men.

5/10/2009 9:28 pm (et) mobile_96: They just tried to rely on the countryside, same as all the other armies did.

5/10/2009 9:28 pm (et) Babs: They didn't seem to have much luck finding pure water.

5/10/2009 9:28 pm (et) Widow: "Too thin to plow and too thick to drink," as they said about the Platte River.

5/10/2009 9:29 pm (et) bluelady: With all kinds of things swimming in it.

5/10/2009 9:29 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Troops arrived ahead of supply wagons anyway.

5/10/2009 9:29 pm (et) mobile_96: Surprising how often it did rain, but soil so dry that it was sucked right up, with none making it to the streams and creeks.

5/10/2009 9:29 pm (et) Susansweet: I found it interesting that on page 133 Bragg points to the map boldly and says the next great battle for Kentucky will be at Versailles.

5/10/2009 9:29 pm (et) Cleburne Fan: Imagine. Buell told his surgeons to leave the ambulances behind.

5/10/2009 9:29 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: I still don't understand why both armies were not entirely ill from what they drank. Doesn't seem like anyone would be fit to fight.

5/10/2009 9:30 pm (et) bluelady: Susan...he was clueless.

5/10/2009 9:30 pm (et) Pvt Miles: It seems the Confederate cavalry could have done a better job in determining the where abouts of the Feds, but the lack of water may have had been a factor on their effectiveness.

5/10/2009 9:30 pm (et) Cleburne Fan: Wheeler found some Federals, but not ALL of the Federals.

5/10/2009 9:31 pm (et) mobile_96: But a lot more had the trots than stated in the diaries during this time

5/10/2009 9:31 pm (et) bluelady: Miles and also what I said earlier about being early in the war...even the confeds at this time did not quite know how to effectively use cavalry.

5/10/2009 9:31 pm (et) Cleburne Fan: Supposedly though, Conf. cavalry was better than Federal Cav at that time.

5/10/2009 9:32 pm (et) mobile_96: They were starting to understand, but....not to their fullest extent.

5/10/2009 9:32 pm (et) Widow: Blue, in the Kentucky Theater, maybe. Wheeler wasn't Jeb Stuart, for sure for sure.

5/10/2009 9:32 pm (et) Cleburne Fan: NO, but Wheeler lived a heck of a lot longer.

5/10/2009 9:32 pm (et) Susansweet: I love the story of the old lady and and Hardee on page 134.

5/10/2009 9:32 pm (et) Widow: Rather, the commanders didn't understand the capabilities of the horsemen. Not just escorts.

5/10/2009 9:33 pm (et) Susansweet: CF a whole whole lot longer.

5/10/2009 9:33 pm (et) Susansweet: And came back to fight again in the Spanish American war.

5/10/2009 9:33 pm (et) Cleburne Fan: Of course, that wasn't really Stuart's fault that he met his end at Yellow Tavern.

5/10/2009 9:33 pm (et) Pvt Miles: Where was Wharton at this time?

5/10/2009 9:34 pm (et) Cleburne Fan: Wheeler saw action in the Philippines too.

5/10/2009 9:34 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Can you imagine a high-ranking military officer being sidetracked because someone mistook his age?

5/10/2009 9:34 pm (et) Susansweet: Miles is this the same Wharton that was hung ?

5/10/2009 9:34 pm (et) Cleburne Fan: Wharton was at Perryville. I better run and get my book to check exactly where.

5/10/2009 9:34 pm (et) Susansweet: Vain I bet LF.

5/10/2009 9:35 pm (et) Susansweet: He was there I saw his name

5/10/2009 9:35 pm (et) Cleburne Fan: Gosh, was Wharton hung? On what charge?

5/10/2009 9:35 pm (et) Widow: Billy Hardee had same problem as Beauregard - ran out of hair dye from France.

5/10/2009 9:35 pm (et) Pvt Miles: Don't know off hand...will find out.

5/10/2009 9:35 pm (et) Susansweet: Is this Wharton the relative of Lee?

5/10/2009 9:36 pm (et) Susansweet: Teej wrote an article about the hanging for North South a few years ago.

5/10/2009 9:36 pm (et) Cleburne Fan: Tell me for once and for all. Is Hardee's Hamburger franchise named after W. Hardee?

5/10/2009 9:36 pm (et) Susansweet: Took place at Franklin.

5/10/2009 9:36 pm (et) Susansweet: Now that I do not know as Hardee's out here is Carl's Jr.

5/10/2009 9:37 pm (et) Cleburne Fan: Wharton was hung at Franklin? What for?

5/10/2009 9:37 pm (et) Susansweet: Spy

5/10/2009 9:37 pm (et) Widow: Cleburne, of course! Guy who wrote "Hardee's Tactics" was a mean chef, doncha know.

5/10/2009 9:37 pm (et) bluelady: this one was killed by another officer in a quarrel on April 6 1865.

5/10/2009 9:37 pm (et) Susansweet: Thanks blue I wondered if it was the same one or not.

5/10/2009 9:38 pm (et) Pvt Miles: Right, Blue.

5/10/2009 9:38 pm (et) Cleburne Fan: His book of tactics included BBQ at the bivouac campfire.

5/10/2009 9:38 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: No reference of his being related to Lee.

5/10/2009 9:39 pm (et) Cleburne Fan: So Wharton was like Bull Nelson--killed by Jefferson Davis, the Union general.

5/10/2009 9:40 pm (et) bluelady: He was killed by George Baylor and Baylor was acquitted.

5/10/2009 9:40 pm (et) Cleburne Fan: Anyway, how much difference did cavalry really make at Perryville. I see it as an infantry and artillery battle primarily.

5/10/2009 9:40 pm (et) Susansweet: What was this Wharton's first name?

5/10/2009 9:40 pm (et) Babs: Edith

5/10/2009 9:40 pm (et) Susansweet: I don't think the cavalry could have done much with the terrain at Perryville.

5/10/2009 9:40 pm (et) mobile_96:John

5/10/2009 9:41 pm (et) Cleburne Fan: No kidding!

5/10/2009 9:41 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: John Austin

5/10/2009 9:41 pm (et) Susansweet: BABS!!!! one of my favorite authors.

5/10/2009 9:41 pm (et) Widow: Cleburne, in chap. 8, the Federals with their revolving Colt rifles made a LOT of difference.

5/10/2009 9:41 pm (et) Widow: Bab, perfect :=))

5/10/2009 9:41 pm (et) Susansweet: We are in chapter 7

5/10/2009 9:42 pm (et) Cleburne Fan: That is my problem. I read the whole book. Now I don't know what happened in each chpater.

5/10/2009 9:43 pm (et) Babs: That's why I don't dare read ahead.

5/10/2009 9:43 pm (et) Susansweet: Any more comments on Chapter 7 or do you all want to move on to Chapter 8?

5/10/2009 9:43 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Chapter 7 ends with officers planning a mutiny. How about that on the eve of a battle.

5/10/2009 9:44 pm (et) Widow: By the way, the picture of Peters Hill on page 135 is much like Malvern Hill, but a little steeper.

5/10/2009 9:44 pm (et) Susansweet: Chapter 8 Enough Boys for This Morning.

5/10/2009 9:45 pm (et) Cleburne Fan: It is extraordinary.

5/10/2009 9:45 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Can't actually say that I blame them. Actually, surprised the same thing wasn't going on in the confederate camp. That could be why the reb officers were just doing their own thing.

5/10/2009 9:45 pm (et) Cleburne Fan: I meant the Union mutiny.

5/10/2009 9:45 pm (et) Susansweet: Except Malvern Hill is steeper and has trees on two sides.

5/10/2009 9:45 pm (et) bluelady: CF..they planned that earlier it was just mentioned again IIRC.

5/10/2009 9:45 pm (et) mobile_96: Only in the West, both sides!

5/10/2009 9:46 pm (et) Cleburne Fan: Speed Fry was a character.

5/10/2009 9:46 pm (et) Susansweet: We meet Sam Watkins again at the beginning of this chapter.

5/10/2009 9:46 pm (et) bluelady: Looked like to me this chapter was telling us they hunkered down into what was gained or lost depending on what side you were on.

5/10/2009 9:46 pm (et) Susansweet: Talking about Perryville.

5/10/2009 9:46 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Can't see Malvern Hill in that picture.

5/10/2009 9:46 pm (et) bluelady: Gone visiting...skedaddled that is! :)

5/10/2009 9:47 pm (et) Cleburne Fan: The names of several chapters are quotes from Sam Watkins or other Civil War diarists.

5/10/2009 9:47 pm (et) Susansweet: Me either LF not at all like the Malvern Hill I saw.

5/10/2009 9:47 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Chapter begins with Perryville citizens in mass exodus. Both sides of the road in gridlock with troops coming in also.

5/10/2009 9:48 pm (et) Susansweet: This chapter kept me on pins and needles waiting with them and wondering if there were men at the top of the hill.

5/10/2009 9:48 pm (et) Cleburne Fan: I'd have run away too. NO use ending up like that poor girl in Gettysburg.

5/10/2009 9:49 pm (et) bluelady: now LF that sounds like Manassas...clogged road that is.

5/10/2009 9:49 pm (et) Cleburne Fan: Surprising how eager some of the "New fish" were to get into a real shooting battle.

5/10/2009 9:49 pm (et) mobile_96: Wanting to Prove themselves.

5/10/2009 9:49 pm (et) bluelady: Gennie was in a house baking bread behind closed doors...dumb being where the house was but closed doors just the same.

5/10/2009 9:50 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Was there another use for the word "Promiscuous" in the 1860's. Its used twice on page 144. "promiscuous visiting" and "wagons loaded promiscuously".

5/10/2009 9:51 pm (et) Babs: I think it just meant "a lot".

5/10/2009 9:51 pm (et) Cleburne Fan: Promiscuous visiting sounds like something Kilpatrick would do.

5/10/2009 9:51 pm (et) Babs: :^)

5/10/2009 9:52 pm (et) Cleburne Fan: Of course, Kilpatrick wasn't at Perryville.

5/10/2009 9:52 pm (et) mobile_96: indiscriminately mingled is one meaning.

5/10/2009 9:52 pm (et) bluelady: Or he may have meant unhealthy or ill advised.

5/10/2009 9:52 pm (et) Cleburne Fan: Doesn't Sheridan strike anyone here as a martinet?

5/10/2009 9:52 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Makes sense, mobile.

5/10/2009 9:52 pm (et) bluelady: I like mobile's better.

5/10/2009 9:52 pm (et) Pvt Miles: Watkins certainly had a way of words.

5/10/2009 9:53 pm (et) mobile_96: In Webster's.

5/10/2009 9:53 pm (et) Susansweet: CF he always does me , not my favorite general at all.

5/10/2009 9:53 pm (et) mobile_96: As for the visiting reference, might mean they were out visiting anyone and everyone.

5/10/2009 9:53 pm (et) mobile_96: Anywhere, but around home.

5/10/2009 9:54 pm (et) Susansweet: Mobile that is what I thought it might mean.

5/10/2009 9:54 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: That would be indiscriminately, mobile.

5/10/2009 9:54 pm (et) Susansweet: Sounds like a good definition of the word.

5/10/2009 9:54 pm (et) Pvt Miles: It doesn’t seem like “Little Phil” gave Dan McCook’s men their due.

5/10/2009 9:54 pm (et) Widow: Cleburne, Sheridan wasn't the martinet that Gilbert was. Though some of Phil's men may have wanted to kill him at one time or another.

5/10/2009 9:54 pm (et) Cleburne Fan: Gilbert was a disappointment to me. He was in over his head.

5/10/2009 9:54 pm (et) Pvt Miles: They seemed to give a pretty good account of themselves in taking Peter’s Hill.

5/10/2009 9:54 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Otherwise known as any port in in storm, and there was about to be a storm at Perryville.

5/10/2009 9:55 pm (et) mobile_96: Pretty much LF.

5/10/2009 9:55 pm (et) Widow: Good point, Lincoln. Again I'm struck by how Gettysburg turned out so similar to Perryville - at least as far as we've gotten in this book.

5/10/2009 9:55 pm (et) Cleburne Fan: General McCOok is the one who really took the brunt of the day's events.

5/10/2009 9:56 pm (et) bluelady: Gilbert reminded me of the kid who got to be the class leader and found out it wasn't all that it was cracked up to be and wanted OUT!

5/10/2009 9:56 pm (et) Susansweet: Good comparison Blue.

5/10/2009 9:56 pm (et) Cleburne Fan: And Sheridan wanted to hog all the glory to himself.

5/10/2009 9:56 pm (et) Susansweet: After reading about the McCooks in here I have got to get a copy of the Fighting McCooks .

5/10/2009 9:57 pm (et) Widow: Didn't they all? Who wanted to share the glory?

5/10/2009 9:57 pm (et) Susansweet: Gee Sheridan hog all the glory? Say it ain't so .

5/10/2009 9:57 pm (et) Cleburne Fan: The photos in the book are hard to decipher how really high a hill was and what the true distance was.

5/10/2009 9:57 pm (et) Widow: Gotta say this for Sheridan, he was aggressive.

5/10/2009 9:58 pm (et) Cleburne Fan: I had such trouble picturing the conditions and the ravines, cliffs, how big the cornfield really was, etc.

5/10/2009 9:58 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Can't wait to see the terrain for myself.

5/10/2009 9:58 pm (et) bluelady: CF if you come in about a month with us you can see for yourself.

5/10/2009 9:58 pm (et) Susansweet: CF if you have a copy of Blue and Gray the pictures there might help some

5/10/2009 9:59 pm (et) Cleburne Fan: I wish I could, but Hubby is no fan of touring battlefields.

5/10/2009 9:59 pm (et) Susansweet: And what Blue says.

5/10/2009 9:59 pm (et) Widow: Cleburne, even with the topo map on page 152, I couldn't figure out which was Peters Hill and Bottom Hill.

5/10/2009 9:59 pm (et) Cleburne Fan: Me either. Which one was higher. Who held the highest terrain?

5/10/2009 9:59 pm (et) Widow: Can't even find the top of Bottom Hill.

5/10/2009 9:59 pm (et) bluelady: Mine really isn't either but there are other things to do as well he can put up with it for a little?

5/10/2009 10:00 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Lots of us are going spouseless.

5/10/2009 10:00 pm (et) Susansweet: Yeah I am.

5/10/2009 10:00 pm (et) Susansweet: Oh wait I don't have a spouse.

5/10/2009 10:00 pm (et) bluelady: I might be spouseless...that is still up in the air.

5/10/2009 10:00 pm (et) Susansweet: Okay are we done for the evening ? anymore comments ?

5/10/2009 10:00 pm (et) Cleburne Fan: My gosh! That is tough.

5/10/2009 10:01 pm (et) Widow: Neither do I, Susan.

5/10/2009 10:01 pm (et) bluelady: Oh to be like the bookends....they love to do battlefield together.

5/10/2009 10:01 pm (et) Susansweet: Or like Tim and Vickie or Dave and Mary.

5/10/2009 10:01 pm (et) Oaktree: Grand discussion----------thank you all

5/10/2009 10:01 pm (et) Cleburne Fan: Yes! I truly admire the brave men who fought so fiercely for what they believed .

5/10/2009 10:01 pm (et) bluelady: We leave the water to the boys in Blue.

5/10/2009 10:01 pm (et) Susansweet: Members of the enablers President and Vice President.

5/10/2009 10:02 pm (et) Susansweet: Next weeks assignment is May 17 Chapter 9 A Small Sized Hell and 10 Forward 53 pages Mobile will be the moderator as I will be in Arizona .

5/10/2009 10:02 pm (et) Susansweet: Oaktree I forgot you were there. Did you enjoy it ?

5/10/2009 10:02 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: I used to love going to the battlefields with my husband. The rest of the family thought we talked a foreign language.

5/10/2009 10:02 pm (et) mobile_96: hmmm, just hope the weather permits.

5/10/2009 10:02 pm (et) Susansweet: This ends the discussion this week . Feel free to continue chatting