Book Chat
The Grand Havoc of Battle"
Kenneth W. Noe

This chat took place in the Civil War Home Chatroom on 04/19/09 and covered the Preface and Chapters 1 & 2.

4/19/2009 9:04 pm (et) Susansweet: Welcome to the first weeks discussion of Perryville This Grand Havoc of Battle by Kenneth W. Noe April 19, 2009 Please do not use pms during the discussing .

4/19/2009 9:04 pm (et) Susansweet: Preface

4/19/2009 9:04 pm (et) Susansweet: Any comments on the Preface ?

4/19/2009 9:05 pm (et) bluelady: The title could be used not just to describe the battle but everything that led up to it as well.

4/19/2009 9:06 pm (et) bluelady: It sounded to me as if both armies were not very will organized.

4/19/2009 9:06 pm (et) Susansweet: Right , I was surprised that Sam Watkins gave the title to the book.

4/19/2009 9:06 pm (et) Susansweet: I don't think they were. They were both fairly new to war at that time.

4/19/2009 9:07 pm (et) Susansweet: I thought his arguments for why this battle although unique in many ways is not well know where nicely presented in the preface.

4/19/2009 9:07 pm (et) bluelady: Sam was a poet wordsmith for sure...what does BaylorDan call it babs?

4/19/2009 9:08 pm (et) Susansweet: I do like old Sam.

4/19/2009 9:08 pm (et) Babs: yes, wordsmith is the term.

4/19/2009 9:08 pm (et) mobile_96: Agree with that Susan, and even with the material available still ignored by many people, even those with a western passion.

4/19/2009 9:09 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: I agree, Susan, I, for one, had never really heard of Perryville except in passing, until we decided to do this book.

4/19/2009 9:09 pm (et) Susansweet: Right , I know I grew up thinking all the battles were fought in Virginia except Gettysburg.

4/19/2009 9:09 pm (et) Susansweet: And that Lee and Grant led all the battles.

4/19/2009 9:10 pm (et) bluelady: I wonder if one of the reasons it is ignored is because of what had happened a month earlier in the east.  And the at least for the northern army...major players at this time were not involved.

4/19/2009 9:10 pm (et) bluelady: well Susan I guess I had you beat because I knew about Antietam.

4/19/2009 9:11 pm (et) mobile_96: Think your right blue, Antietam took front seat for a long time.

4/19/2009 9:11 pm (et) Susansweet: As with many things happening in the West they get over shadowed by the east. not so many reporters or telegraph lines etc in the west . Places people in big cities not as familiar with.

4/19/2009 9:11 pm (et) mobile_96: Even Shiloh was still on everyone's minds.

4/19/2009 9:12 pm (et) Susansweet: Right.

4/19/2009 9:12 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: I think you're correct, Blue. All the emphasis was on McClellan and Lee. Except for Shilo and Vicksburg, very little mentioned about the west. Even Vicksburg was blown off the front page by Gettysburg.

4/19/2009 9:12 pm (et) Susansweet: Even when western battles got more attention the author say , Perryville was still ignored.

4/19/2009 9:13 pm (et) Susansweet: I like what he says the one historian wrote that Battle is more like a school yard in a rough neighborhood at recess time than a clash between two football giants in the Rose Bowl.

4/19/2009 9:14 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: I liked that also Susan.

4/19/2009 9:14 pm (et) bluelady: I think all battles can be described that way. Especially ones that troops are sent in a little at a time.

4/19/2009 9:14 pm (et) mobile_96: As you will find out as you get into the fighting Susan.

4/19/2009 9:15 pm (et) Susansweet: I have been on playgrounds in rough neighborhoods I know what that is like.

4/19/2009 9:15 pm (et) Pvt Miles: Kentucky was far geographically from Washington & Richmond, no major East/ West RR links as I recall.

4/19/2009 9:15 pm (et) mobile_96: Blue, this one was especially chaotic.

4/19/2009 9:15 pm (et) bluelady: I describe Gettysburg to the kids that way...a playground argument turning into a full fledged fight.

4/19/2009 9:16 pm (et) Susansweet: Right it was in the middle of now where and really still is today.

4/19/2009 9:16 pm (et) mobile_96: The lay of the land turns Perryville into 3 separated fights.

4/19/2009 9:16 pm (et) bluelady: Right because of the disunion of the commanders with their perspective commands.

4/19/2009 9:16 pm (et) Susansweet: So shall we start now with the first chapter ? Anything else on the Preface?

4/19/2009 9:17 pm (et) Susansweet: And the acoustic shadow.

4/19/2009 9:17 pm (et) Susansweet: Chapter 1 Divided We Fall

4/19/2009 9:18 pm (et) bluelady: I like how the first chapter starts well before the battle...even before Shiloh.

4/19/2009 9:18 pm (et) Susansweet: He starts with Anthony Trollope an Englishman commenting.

4/19/2009 9:18 pm (et) bluelady: We need to understand about the command scheme to understand why things happened in October the way they did.

4/19/2009 9:18 pm (et) cwbksell: You must remember everyone (out east) were shouting "On to Richmond." They never gave a thought to what was happening out in the wilderness. They found fault with Gen Scott's Anaconda Plan, and that was exactly what eventually happened to win the war.

4/19/2009 9:19 pm (et) bluelady: That is exactly right CWBksell.

4/19/2009 9:19 pm (et) Susansweet: We had a speaker at our Round Table do a presentation on Perryville . He must have used this book as he talked for over an hour and never got to Perryville in his presentation.

4/19/2009 9:20 pm (et) bluelady: LOL

4/19/2009 9:20 pm (et) Susansweet: Trollope comment about a Country founded on rebellion had such a horror of Rebellion is so true , and if you think about it , it is an interesting thought.

4/19/2009 9:20 pm (et) bluelady: Don Carlos Buell was described by EH Rhodes as a martinet.

4/19/2009 9:21 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: I like the way Noe explains Kentucky's vote against secession, then to stay neutral and why they finally joined (or rejoined) the Union. Good background there.

4/19/2009 9:22 pm (et) bluelady: I thought it interesting that 2 different people with opposite views had different thoughts about Kentucky

4/19/2009 9:22 pm (et) Susansweet: Kentucky was neither fish nor fowl, neither north or South , Confederate or Union.

4/19/2009 9:22 pm (et) bluelady: just...there

4/19/2009 9:23 pm (et) cwbksell: Someone mentioned there were three countries; the Union, Confederates and Kentucky.

4/19/2009 9:23 pm (et) Susansweet: And after all it was the home of the Great Compromiser , Clay.

4/19/2009 9:23 pm (et) bluelady: It also seemed that no one in charge had any real authority.

4/19/2009 9:24 pm (et) Pvt Miles: I thought he described the situation very well. The U.S. had become 3 countries. There was the North, the South and Kentucky.

4/19/2009 9:24 pm (et) Susansweet: That was a good description wasn't it bob.

4/19/2009 9:24 pm (et) bluelady: lol good minds think alike.

4/19/2009 9:24 pm (et) Babs: Still kind of that way. Not REAL south, but they talk a bit funny.

4/19/2009 9:25 pm (et) Susansweet: If the Union lost Kentucky there would be a major problem.

4/19/2009 9:25 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: One would have thought Breckenridge would have had some pull in keeping KY in the union.

4/19/2009 9:25 pm (et) bluelady: lol babs to us northerners maybe1 :0

4/19/2009 9:25 pm (et) Susansweet: But Breckenridge went South.

4/19/2009 9:25 pm (et) bluelady: but the Breckenridges were even divided.

4/19/2009 9:26 pm (et) cwbksell: Breckenridge became a Confederate general.

4/19/2009 9:26 pm (et) Susansweet: And the Crittentosns were divided.

4/19/2009 9:26 pm (et) Susansweet: who typed that word ?

4/19/2009 9:26 pm (et) bluelady: And part of the family stayed with the union IIRC.

4/19/2009 9:26 pm (et) Susansweet: Crittenton

4/19/2009 9:27 pm (et) cwbksell: There were a good number of families that were divided. Mary Lincoln's family for the most part fought for the South.

4/19/2009 9:28 pm (et) Susansweet: Right.

4/19/2009 9:28 pm (et) bluelady: Even Thomas...shunned by his family for him staying with the union.

4/19/2009 9:28 pm (et) Susansweet: Yep although he was a Virginian.

4/19/2009 9:28 pm (et) Susansweet: And both Davis and Lincoln were born in Kentucky.

4/19/2009 9:29 pm (et) cwbksell: I liked Kentucky's compromise plan, "an armed neutrality." :o)

4/19/2009 9:29 pm (et) bluelady: About 100 miles apart and was it the same year?

4/19/2009 9:29 pm (et) Susansweet: Then we come to the first encounter and who do we have leading the forces.? Two wonderful leaders . Fremont and Pillow.

4/19/2009 9:29 pm (et) bluelady: no nevermind

4/19/2009 9:29 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Polk's invasion was what finally decided KY to go with the North. Wonder how long they would have remained neutral.

4/19/2009 9:29 pm (et) Susansweet: About six months apart but different years.

4/19/2009 9:30 pm (et) bluelady: I never liked Pillow...he acted like a Weasel.

4/19/2009 9:30 pm (et) Susansweet: June to February difference in age.

4/19/2009 9:30 pm (et) bluelady: ah ok

4/19/2009 9:30 pm (et) Susansweet: He was an all around useless general and secretary of the Army.

4/19/2009 9:31 pm (et) mobile_96: Probably not much longer than it did, IMHO, state was so important to both sides, something had to give.

4/19/2009 9:31 pm (et) bluelady: Could have been for a while...even traveling today to get west one does not have to go through KY.

4/19/2009 9:32 pm (et) bluelady: As long as troops stayed out...the citizens I think would not be bothered.

4/19/2009 9:32 pm (et) Susansweet: I have missed going though Kentucky on both cross country trips.

4/19/2009 9:32 pm (et) bluelady: But in retrospect.. I do have to agree with mobile...troops especially from the north would not stay out too long if the Ohio River were to be fully protected.

4/19/2009 9:33 pm (et) Pvt Miles: I Think both sides were eager to stake a claim.

4/19/2009 9:33 pm (et) Susansweet: Right they needed to have a buffer for that river.

4/19/2009 9:33 pm (et) bluelady: Going to Vicksburg and to Kansas.. I did not step foot into KY.

4/19/2009 9:33 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Even when they did join the North, some of them went south and set up a provisional government and was admitted to the confederate congress.

4/19/2009 9:34 pm (et) Susansweet: I went though Ohio and Tennessee instead of Kentucky on my trips.

4/19/2009 9:35 pm (et) mobile_96: Which was a farce, since the state really didn't contribute much of anything to the Confederacy, excepting the Orphan Brigade.

4/19/2009 9:35 pm (et) Susansweet: Fan and they would form the Orphan's brigade as they had no home.

4/19/2009 9:35 pm (et) bluelady: Now to the commanders....after Pillow and Fremont you end up with Buell and Bragg....

4/19/2009 9:35 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Right.

4/19/2009 9:35 pm (et) Susansweet: Hi five mobile.

4/19/2009 9:35 pm (et) bluelady: Not much of a change IMHO.

4/19/2009 9:35 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Buell and Bragg - now there's a pair.

4/19/2009 9:36 pm (et) Susansweet: After Fremont and Pillow we have Zollicoffer in the Cumberland Gap area and Albert Sidney in Bowling Green.

4/19/2009 9:36 pm (et) bluelady: Too bad KyReb is not around anymore...I sure do miss that old reb.

4/19/2009 9:36 pm (et) Susansweet: Albert Sidney being one of Davis' most favorite generals.

4/19/2009 9:36 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Buell must really have been slow to have McClellan describe him so.

4/19/2009 9:36 pm (et) mobile_96: I still would like to read the Bio's that Noe referenced.

4/19/2009 9:37 pm (et) Susansweet: This writer is not too kind to Johnston.

4/19/2009 9:37 pm (et) bluelady: And his second in command was one of Davis's least favorites.

4/19/2009 9:37 pm (et) Susansweet: Right.

4/19/2009 9:37 pm (et) Pvt Miles: I believe that given the circumstances, Polk occupation of Columbus was a necessity.

4/19/2009 9:38 pm (et) Susansweet: Interesting how Lincoln let his like or dislike of a general not get in his way of handling him but Davis didn't.

4/19/2009 9:38 pm (et) bluelady: Well you have to admit Johnston did not do much to keep what the confederates had at Donelson and Henry and he was retreating all the time.

4/19/2009 9:38 pm (et) mobile_96: I also enjoyed the 'reason' the Union created a recruiting center in Ky, and the Ky governor accepted the station.

4/19/2009 9:38 pm (et) Susansweet: Oh I agree there Blue , he doesn't come off well in Kentucky . He was suppose to be this grand leader and he doesn't do well here.

4/19/2009 9:39 pm (et) bluelady: That was Davis's biggest mistake in handling his generals.. Bragg and Polk would have been gone long before if I was commanding them.

4/19/2009 9:39 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Good observation, Susan. Never thought about it.

4/19/2009 9:40 pm (et) bluelady: He didn't do well in this war at all. I don't know what would have happened had he lived through Shiloh...But to me he did not live up to his reputation.

4/19/2009 9:40 pm (et) Susansweet: So we have Anderson in charge and then he has to go as he is sick and then here comes Sherman.

4/19/2009 9:40 pm (et) Babs: I vote Blue Sec of War. Anyone who can control middle schoolers can command an army.

4/19/2009 9:41 pm (et) bluelady: Thanks Babs...especially 8th graders.

4/19/2009 9:41 pm (et) Susansweet: Who here comes off like Mac asking for more troops as he feels he is vastly out numbered.

4/19/2009 9:41 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: LOL

4/19/2009 9:41 pm (et) Susansweet: I agree . I wouldn't touch 8th grade with a ten foot pole.

4/19/2009 9:42 pm (et) mobile_96: I agree about Johnston Blue.

4/19/2009 9:42 pm (et) bluelady: And is declared insane because of it.

4/19/2009 9:42 pm (et) Susansweet: Right.

4/19/2009 9:42 pm (et) bluelady: I have them eating out of my hand.

4/19/2009 9:42 pm (et) Susansweet: Did you notice when ever he mentions Grant it is drunkard Grant.

4/19/2009 9:42 pm (et) Pvt Miles: Buell for a the time seemed like a pretty good choice.

4/19/2009 9:43 pm (et) cwbksell: And insane Sherman.

4/19/2009 9:43 pm (et) bluelady: Yeah.

4/19/2009 9:43 pm (et) mobile_96: Susan, however, over time, he's pretty correct on needing so many men to Hold the states.

4/19/2009 9:43 pm (et) Susansweet: Well yeah he is the gallant soldier in the mold of Napoleon and Hannibal and Caesar.

4/19/2009 9:43 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Well, the drunk and the nut won the war.

4/19/2009 9:44 pm (et) bluelady: After Shiloh people knew Sherman was not insane but right.

4/19/2009 9:44 pm (et) Susansweet: Exactly.

4/19/2009 9:44 pm (et) Babs: Sober sane people are too cautious.

4/19/2009 9:44 pm (et) Susansweet: Yep Sherman knew what he was talking about.

4/19/2009 9:44 pm (et) cwbksell: Lincoln wanted to know what kind of brandy grant drank so he could send some to his other generals.

4/19/2009 9:45 pm (et) Susansweet: These Generals are for sure Babs.

4/19/2009 9:45 pm (et) Susansweet: I like the comment about Buell that today he would be known as a micromanager.

4/19/2009 9:45 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Grant was described here as a drunkard probably because that was his reputation at that time.

4/19/2009 9:46 pm (et) Susansweet: It's really bad when Buell not only frustrates Lincoln but he frustrates Mac !!!!

4/19/2009 9:46 pm (et) cwbksell: Grant's reputation came from the boring times he spent in the service out west before the war.

4/19/2009 9:46 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Because he's slow and indecisive!

4/19/2009 9:46 pm (et) Susansweet: And times when Julia was not with him.

4/19/2009 9:47 pm (et) bluelady: Here is a description of how Buell treated his clerks when he was assigned to Washington after 1st Bull Run...the clerks had to stand if Buell entered the office tent and remain standing until he left...sounds like a lot of work got done! :P

4/19/2009 9:47 pm (et) Pvt Miles: Buell was just like Mac...only dull.

4/19/2009 9:47 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Right, cw, but his reputation still followed him, probably until Vicksburg.

4/19/2009 9:48 pm (et) Susansweet: So then Lincoln pulls a good one and gives the command to Halleck and Buell is under his command.

4/19/2009 9:48 pm (et) bluelady: And Ormbsy Mitchel wanted no part of the Slows...

4/19/2009 9:48 pm (et) Susansweet: He has other things on his mind, Like the Raiders ?

4/19/2009 9:48 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Yes, Susan, but then Buell proceeds to do as he pleases anyway, doesn't he?

4/19/2009 9:49 pm (et) bluelady: One of the reasons I think he ok'ed the stealing of the general.

4/19/2009 9:49 pm (et) Pvt Miles: Halleck was one who led from the rear.

4/19/2009 9:49 pm (et) bluelady: Not yet...he was scheming to get away from Buell and then he was thinking of the raid.

4/19/2009 9:49 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: I like Mtchell - he get's things of the few who did.

4/19/2009 9:50 pm (et) bluelady: But even he turned too cautious.

4/19/2009 9:50 pm (et) bluelady: and trench.

4/19/2009 9:50 pm (et) Susansweet: South right there had some winners too Zollicoffer who is so nearsighted he rides right into the federal line and is killed and then Crittenden's alcoholic sons appointed to be in charge and gets into a fight on the field.

4/19/2009 9:51 pm (et) bluelady: Bull Nelson is Murdered.

4/19/2009 9:51 pm (et) cwbksell: Halleck was extremely over cautious. Marching his men ten miles and forcing them to dig trenches when the enemy was miles away.

4/19/2009 9:51 pm (et) bluelady: A lot of Havoc before the battle.

4/19/2009 9:51 pm (et) Susansweet: As the author says Halleck tells Grant to take Fort Henry and he does and on his own initiative captures Fort Donelson too.

4/19/2009 9:52 pm (et) bluelady: And then gets the glory that ticks off Halleck.

4/19/2009 9:52 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Grant was another one who took initiative. I've always liked him.

4/19/2009 9:56 pm (et) Susansweet: So now on to Bragg who when nobody else would argue with him he would argue with himself .

4/19/2009 9:56 pm (et) Susansweet: Can't you just see that

4/19/2009 9:57 pm (et) bluelady: What else do we have on this chapter.

4/19/2009 9:57 pm (et) bluelady: Good description!

4/19/2009 9:57 pm (et) Susansweet: Let's move on to next chapter.

4/19/2009 9:58 pm (et) bluelady: What made his subordinates dislike him so much? his actions for discipline?

4/19/2009 9:58 pm (et) Susansweet: Yes

4/19/2009 9:58 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Noe says Braggs name was synonymous with pettiness, bitterness, incompetence and even paranoia and insanity.

4/19/2009 9:58 pm (et) Susansweet: A Brillant Summer Campaign

4/19/2009 9:59 pm (et) bluelady: It didn't sound as if he did anything out of the ordinary...just that he had a reputation for being cantankerous and a strict disciplinarian. 

4/19/2009 9:59 pm (et) Susansweet: And that was just for starters.

4/19/2009 9:59 pm (et) Susansweet: And nobody liked him.

4/19/2009 10:00 pm (et) Pvt Miles: Seems like you wouldn't want to get on Bragg's bad side.

4/19/2009 10:00 pm (et) bluelady: Yeah but Davis did.

4/19/2009 10:00 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Bet there weren't too many men that ate chicken under his command.

4/19/2009 10:00 pm (et) Susansweet: Bragg didn't like Polk or Cheatham.

4/19/2009 10:00 pm (et) bluelady: I am getting used to this new keyboard.

4/19/2009 10:00 pm (et) Susansweet: and Frank Cheatham could get the job done.

4/19/2009 10:00 pm (et) bluelady: And they didn't like him.

4/19/2009 10:01 pm (et) mobile_96: Noe says the story was untrue, but would like to know how it was started.

4/19/2009 10:01 pm (et) bluelady: When he was sober.

4/19/2009 10:01 pm (et) bluelady: Cheetham that is.

4/19/2009 10:01 pm (et) Susansweet: Cheatham was good even when he wasn't sober.

4/19/2009 10:02 pm (et) bluelady: Cheatham and Grant...hmmm.

4/19/2009 10:02 pm (et) cwbksell: I believe what did Bragg in was his indecisiveness. He had good ideas but could never really make up his mind to do anything.

4/19/2009 10:02 pm (et) Susansweet: Then as Noe says Halleck makes the worse decision of his career he stops moving toward Vicksburg and divides his troops.

4/19/2009 10:02 pm (et) Susansweet: and ceases advancing south.

4/19/2009 10:03 pm (et) mobile_96: Many people agree with that Susan.

4/19/2009 10:03 pm (et) Susansweet: about Halleck?

4/19/2009 10:03 pm (et) bluelady: And parks his troops on the Mississippi border in Corinth.

4/19/2009 10:03 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: I got really confused reading this chapter as most of the material was unfamiliar. I need a simple explanation and I don't think there is one.

4/19/2009 10:03 pm (et) Susansweet: I bet they do.

4/19/2009 10:04 pm (et) Susansweet: Fan simple ? They were all over the place.

4/19/2009 10:04 pm (et) mobile_96: Yes, Halleck.

4/19/2009 10:04 pm (et) bluelady: I think all of this is just positioning to get us to the we can begin to try to understand why the commanders made the decisions they did.

4/19/2009 10:05 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: That's what I mean. And no one paid any real attention to orders, just proceeded to pursue their own plans, even when overruled by superiors.

4/19/2009 10:06 pm (et) bluelady: LF..that is because no one was really in charge as long as they were separated.

4/19/2009 10:06 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Yes, that was clear.

4/19/2009 10:06 pm (et) Susansweet: Right , everyone was in charge of themselves and nobody was totally in charge.

4/19/2009 10:07 pm (et) Pvt Miles: Halleck gives up the initiative and basically reacts.

4/19/2009 10:07 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: So that was it? Divide the army, then lose all control.

4/19/2009 10:08 pm (et) Susansweet: Puts Buell in control so he can take the fault if he doesn't succeed.

4/19/2009 10:08 pm (et) cwbksell: Fan the simple fact was that in many cases, instead of working together to win the war, many of the officers on both sides were interested in their own personal promotions even if it meant stabbing your commander in the back to get that promotion. Finding fault with others on the same side was the game of the day.

4/19/2009 10:08 pm (et) Pvt Miles: That's it.

4/19/2009 10:08 pm (et) mobile_96: The force was actually 2 separate armies, supposedly controlling separate areas of the states.

4/19/2009 10:09 pm (et) Susansweet: Right Bob, and mobile both.

4/19/2009 10:09 pm (et) mobile_96: And bksell is right, the ORs are filled with self serving reports.

4/19/2009 10:09 pm (et) Susansweet: And speaking of that now we meet Kirby Smith .

4/19/2009 10:09 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Just like Washington today, cwb.

4/19/2009 10:09 pm (et) Susansweet: What a guy.

4/19/2009 10:10 pm (et) Susansweet: He is set on invading Kentucky for sure.

4/19/2009 10:10 pm (et) Susansweet: He and Bragg make a plan and then Smith leaves and changes everything.

4/19/2009 10:11 pm (et) Susansweet: And talks Bragg into giving him Patrick Cleburne and his men.

4/19/2009 10:11 pm (et) Pvt Miles: Smith was a fairly competent general, but certainly no team player.

4/19/2009 10:12 pm (et) Susansweet: Team Player? He could care less about the team. It was me me me with him

4/19/2009 10:12 pm (et) Susansweet: Glory for him.

4/19/2009 10:12 pm (et) cwbksell: Both Smith and Morgan believed the Kentucky dream (winning Kentucky for the South) was real.

4/19/2009 10:12 pm (et) mobile_96: And not the only ones that believed it.

4/19/2009 10:13 pm (et) Susansweet: Yep

4/19/2009 10:13 pm (et) Pvt Miles: I believe Shelby Foote said that Smith accomplished at Richmond “…the nearest thing to a Cannae….”

4/19/2009 10:13 pm (et) Susansweet: And Smith was a Davis man.

4/19/2009 10:14 pm (et) mobile_96: That he did Miles.

4/19/2009 10:14 pm (et) Susansweet: what is Cannae?

4/19/2009 10:15 pm (et) mobile_96: Complete destruction of a army.

4/19/2009 10:15 pm (et) Susansweet: oh okay.

4/19/2009 10:15 pm (et) Susansweet: thanks

4/19/2009 10:16 pm (et) cwbksell: What is the assignment for next week?

4/19/2009 10:16 pm (et) Susansweet: Interesting that Cleburne is wounded and his junior officer takes over and leads as if Cleburne is still there

4/19/2009 10:16 pm (et) Susansweet: Next week's discussion will be April 26 Chapter 3 The Enemy is Before You and 4 The Great Foot Race 37 pages

4/19/2009 10:17 pm (et) Susansweet: any other discussion on this chapter?

4/19/2009 10:18 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Sure hope next week's reading is easier.

4/19/2009 10:18 pm (et) Susansweet: This ends the book discussion this week