No Better Place To Die
The Battle of Stones River
Peter Cozzen's5/6/2007 8:05 pm (et) amhistoryguy: Welcome to tonight’s BOOK CHAT, where we will be discussing the final chapters of NO BETTER PLACE TO DIE, by Peter Cozzens. In Chapter thirteen the focus was the aftermath of the fighting that took place on December 31, 1862. I thought that Cozzens very clearly demonstrated the the ordeal for soldiers on both sides did not end when the fighting ceased. Your thoughts and comments on this chapter?
This chat took place in the Civil War Home Chatroom on 05/06/07 and covered Chapters 13, 14, 15, & 16.
5/6/2007 8:05 pm (et) Widow: Keyboard at the ready, AHG.5/6/2007 8:06 pm (et) Widow: AHG, chapter 13 about the freezing victims was by far Cozzens' best writing. Because he wasn't describing military maneuvers, as much as people.
5/6/2007 8:07 pm (et) ks: In agreement there, ahg. I thought that chapter 13 made for very compelling reading, particularly the account of going out amongst the dead looking for comrades. The descriptions...well done.5/6/2007 8:07 pm (et) Widow: His long quote from Private Hannaford's diary is especially touching.
5/6/2007 8:08 pm (et) amhistoryguy: I don’t think that it is possible to comprehend the magnitude of the undertaking to retrieve the wounded and bury the dead. The story of the Confederates who stopped by a wounded Union soldier and found him a blanket, and gave him a sip of whiskey might have a bit of “between the lines” value.5/6/2007 8:08 pm (et) mobile_96: I felt the descriptions well done also, could feel like I was there looking for friends.
5/6/2007 8:08 pm (et) amhistoryguy: The soldier mentioned he was only a couple of hundred yards from a field hospital, yet these compassionate Confederates did not take him there. My guess is that there were just too many on the field to take the time to even move someone a few hundred yards.5/6/2007 8:09 pm (et) Widow: It was raining and sleeting, with temps below freezing. Must have been hard to go out on the field, let alone to retrieve the wounded and dead.
5/6/2007 8:09 pm (et) amhistoryguy: Kind of confirmed by the men who went around on the field just making fires for the wounded where they lay.5/6/2007 8:09 pm (et) ks: Other quotes therein were memorable as well. That "The frost, the dead and dying and the dark cedars among which we bivouacked were wild enough for a banquet of ghouls," by Preston
5/6/2007 8:10 pm (et) Widow: ks, I do believe I would have lost my sanity.5/6/2007 8:10 pm (et) amhistoryguy: The men who survived had fuel for a lifetime of nightmares.
5/6/2007 8:11 pm (et) Widow: Good descriptions also of the hunger suffered by the Federals, thanks to Wheeler's depredations of the supply trains.5/6/2007 8:11 pm (et) ks: The statements about there being no way to provide shelter for all the wounded was telling. Imagine just trying to build fires, large fires, and then laying the wounded around the flames in hopes of providing some comfort...
5/6/2007 8:12 pm (et) Widow: Though I must say that what hunger the Yankees felt for those 2-3 days was about what the Secesh felt most of the time.5/6/2007 8:12 pm (et) ks: There was fule there for OUR having nightmares, ahg. :(
5/6/2007 8:13 pm (et) amhistoryguy: I had not realized what a dangerous position the Union army found itself in. They ended up holding the field despite themselves.5/6/2007 8:13 pm (et) amhistoryguy: Very true ks.
5/6/2007 8:13 pm (et) Widow: AHG, it seems that it was just as easy to sit there and wait as to pack up and move north toward Nashville.5/6/2007 8:14 pm (et) amhistoryguy: The Confederates were well supplied at Murfreesboro.
5/6/2007 8:14 pm (et) Widow: Even withdrawing is risky, so Rosecrans decided to stay put.5/6/2007 8:15 pm (et) Widow: AHG, most Confederates were hungry most of the time. They were lucky at Murfreesboro.
5/6/2007 8:15 pm (et) ks: This being all new material to me, I had no idea either, ahg. And these finals chapters were much more interesting to me than the previous. Believe Widow has already alluded to that when she said it wasn't FFF material but rather about personal accounts.5/6/2007 8:15 pm (et) amhistoryguy: Getting ahead - any more comments on Chapter Thirteen.
5/6/2007 8:15 pm (et) Widow: I wonder how many calories a man needs to stay warm and have full energy for waiting, marching, fighting?5/6/2007 8:16 pm (et) Widow: ks, what does FFF mean?
5/6/2007 8:16 pm (et) ks: Nothing here. As stated, compelling reading about the suffering and the magnitude of the horror the survivors witnessed.5/6/2007 8:16 pm (et) amhistoryguy: After 1862 - into 1863, I would agree with you Widow, but in this period, I don't think they were as hungry as many people seem to think.
5/6/2007 8:17 pm (et) ks: Fight, Feint, Flank...military manuevers STUFF. Connie Boone, a former chatter, coined the phrase. :)5/6/2007 8:17 pm (et) amhistoryguy: In Chapter Fourteen, CSA Bragg determines to resume the battle. Bragg decides that the attack should begin at 4 pm, just an hour before dark. Rosecrans and his staff determine that they will not withdraw, but will stay and fight.
5/6/2007 8:17 pm (et) Widow: Thx, I joined after her time.5/6/2007 8:18 pm (et) amhistoryguy: Why do Confederate attacks take all day to prepare?
5/6/2007 8:19 pm (et) amhistoryguy: Maybe they should start their planning at midnight : )5/6/2007 8:19 pm (et) Widow: AHG, Cozzens led me to believe that Rosecrans had rose-colored glasses most of the way through. "We're gonna win," even when he was getting clobbered. So optimism becomes determination.
5/6/2007 8:20 pm (et) mobile_96: I can understand Bragg's idea on the 4PM attack, but wonder if he considered he might need more light if he had a stalled attack, or a actual break thru where he'd need more light to push forward.5/6/2007 8:20 pm (et) amhistoryguy: The title chosen by Cozzens for his work is revealed in this chapter, when General Thomas tells Rosecrans, “General, I know of no better place to die.”
5/6/2007 8:20 pm (et) Widow: AHG, first, the time consumed getting the orders distributed to the subordinates. Then carrying out those orders. Resupplying the ammunition for artillery and infantry.5/6/2007 8:21 pm (et) Widow: Mobile, I'm convinced Bragg didn't have any contingency plans in case he lost, or won, for that matter.
5/6/2007 8:21 pm (et) amhistoryguy: A 4 pm attack is a very bad idea any time, but in winter, it spells disaster.5/6/2007 8:22 pm (et) amhistoryguy: No need to worry about distribution of ammo or supplies, the army was basicly inactive over the 1st of January.
5/6/2007 8:22 pm (et) Widow: AHG, Bragg took Crittenden's side by surprise. Who imagined that it would be done.5/6/2007 8:22 pm (et) amhistoryguy: The units launching the attack were not informed until 2:30 pm.
5/6/2007 8:23 pm (et) Widow: So, there may have been some advantage to the late hour.5/6/2007 8:24 pm (et) amhistoryguy: Advantage to the defenders, not the attackers.
5/6/2007 8:24 pm (et) mobile_96: Probably only in Braggs mind.5/6/2007 8:24 pm (et) Widow: Bragg ignored his subordinates' reports of the good position the US held on the east side of Stones River.
5/6/2007 8:24 pm (et) amhistoryguy: The outcome speaks for itself.5/6/2007 8:25 pm (et) amhistoryguy: Good point Widow.
5/6/2007 8:25 pm (et) amhistoryguy: Earlier in the battle it was pointed out how poorly the area was reconnoitered. Yet it seems that even with extensive reconnaissance indicating that an attack might be ill advised, Bragg’s mind was made up. Brigadier General Hanson had to be restrained by General’s Breckinridge and Preston to keep him from killing Bragg.5/6/2007 8:26 pm (et) Widow: The AoT might have fought better if Hanson had succeeded.
5/6/2007 8:26 pm (et) Babs: There's a "what if". What if he hadn't been restrained.5/6/2007 8:26 pm (et) Widow: But we all know, they all knew, it wasn't the soldiers, it was the leadership that was the AoT's problem.
5/6/2007 8:26 pm (et) amhistoryguy: Kind of surprised Breckinridge stopped him. I would have thought he might have loaded the gun.5/6/2007 8:26 pm (et) mobile_96: Might have been a blessing for the Confederacy.
5/6/2007 8:27 pm (et) amhistoryguy: A very interesting "what if " indeed Babs.5/6/2007 8:27 pm (et) Widow: Well, maybe not murder, how about just a little maiming, put him out of the action!
5/6/2007 8:27 pm (et) Widow: Like JEJ on the Peninsula.5/6/2007 8:28 pm (et) amhistoryguy: At that point the overall outcome was still in doubt.
5/6/2007 8:29 pm (et) Widow: AHG, I have the impression that Bragg and Rosecrans neither one had a clue what it was really like. Except Rosecrans was out there rearranging the furniture so he had some idea.5/6/2007 8:30 pm (et) Widow: Maybe by that time the battlefield had grown so big that nobody could have had a clear picture of the terrain, troop dispositions, and so on.
5/6/2007 8:30 pm (et) Widow: What with the river splitting the area.5/6/2007 8:30 pm (et) amhistoryguy: I think they were both really caught up in other things. Rosecrans was feeling a bit of pressure from Washington, the Army had just been reorganized and commanders were just getting to understand their commands.
5/6/2007 8:31 pm (et) Widow: Both commanders were served poorly by their intel collectors.5/6/2007 8:31 pm (et) Widow: Poor collection, poor analysis of faulty observations - happens all the time.
5/6/2007 8:32 pm (et) amhistoryguy: Bragg was looking over his shoulder - perhaps looking for that bullet from one of his own commanders. He was so concerned with "being in charge" that he did not listen even to good advice.5/6/2007 8:33 pm (et) mobile_96: Wheeler was running all over the place and still didn't do any real intel.
5/6/2007 8:33 pm (et) Widow: Wheeler was erratic or inconsistent as a cavalry commander. Wharton seemed to me steadier, calmer, more careful.5/6/2007 8:33 pm (et) ks: The picture we've seen and posted here of Bragg really seems to fit that description, doesn't it? ;)
5/6/2007 8:34 pm (et) mobile_96: Not that Bragg paid attention to anyone.5/6/2007 8:34 pm (et) amhistoryguy: That it does.
5/6/2007 8:34 pm (et) Widow: Too bad his wife didn't say, "Brax, time to trim your eyebrow again."5/6/2007 8:35 pm (et) amhistoryguy: Bragg might have felt that his commanders advice was intended to harm Bragg's reputation. Maybe that is why he didn't listen even to good advice.
5/6/2007 8:36 pm (et) Widow: AHG, absolutely agree with you. I think he was scared somebody would notice that he was all hollow inside, no confidence.5/6/2007 8:36 pm (et) Widow: By accepting advice, he felt he was admitting weakness.
5/6/2007 8:37 pm (et) amhistoryguy: I don't think Bragg was married - another deficiency5/6/2007 8:38 pm (et) amhistoryguy: Anything more in chapter 14 ?
5/6/2007 8:38 pm (et) mobile_96: Not for the women.5/6/2007 8:38 pm (et) Widow: Explain THAT, ahg. :=))
5/6/2007 8:38 pm (et) Babs: I thought it mentioned letters to his wife. Maybe I have him confused with someone else. I am easily confused.5/6/2007 8:38 pm (et) amhistoryguy: Mary can explain at Muster.
5/6/2007 8:39 pm (et) Widow: Oh, no you don't. You said it, you defend it. :=))5/6/2007 8:39 pm (et) amhistoryguy: In Chapter Fifteen, CSA Cheatham and Withers, with no confidence in Bragg, write a letter to Bragg suggesting “the army should be put in retreat.” Knowing Bragg pretty well, and not wanting to question his ability, they blame the current condition on the failure and inexperience of subordinates. Bragg initially would have none of it, and emphasized that they would “hold our own at every hazard.” Comments on Chapter Thirteen ?
5/6/2007 8:39 pm (et) Widow: Babs, I believe I read that too.5/6/2007 8:41 pm (et) Widow: AHG, a continuation of Bragg's way: make a decision and staunchly never budge.
5/6/2007 8:41 pm (et) ks: I too thought I'd read he was married and that his wife had expressed misgivings about the fighting qualities of Tennesseans.5/6/2007 8:41 pm (et) amhistoryguy: Then he was not deficient : ) = There must be something wrong with a man who is not married - according to my wife - and /or It takes a woman to fix a man to usable condition.
5/6/2007 8:42 pm (et) Widow: Well done, my friend. :=))5/6/2007 8:42 pm (et) amhistoryguy: His wife is not mentioned in "Generals In Gray." But that does not mean he was not married.
5/6/2007 8:42 pm (et) Babs: It is hard enough to keep all of these guys straight. I was annoyed by Cozzens habit of referring to people as "The Tennessean" or "the Ohioian". It just made it one more step to figure out who the heck he was talking about.5/6/2007 8:43 pm (et) ks: The political maneuverings of the AoT left me weary just reading.
5/6/2007 8:43 pm (et) Widow: Generally Gray is a perfect description of Bragg's picture.5/6/2007 8:43 pm (et) ks: http://tennesseeencyclopedia.net/imagegallery.php?EntryID=B080 on Bragg says he was married. But what do "those Tennesseans" know? ;)
5/6/2007 8:44 pm (et) Widow: Babs, right with you. Especially since there were Tennessee men on both sides, Kentucky men on both sides.5/6/2007 8:44 pm (et) amhistoryguy: Bragg gets intel from Wheeler that Rosecrans is being reinforced, and Bragg decides that in order to save his army he must withdraw. His ability to reason comes into question. He never seems to try to figure out where these reinforcements might have come from. There are in fact no reinforcements
5/6/2007 8:45 pm (et) Widow: Thinking like Little Mac. "oh, no, I'm outnumbered. Let's vamoose!"5/6/2007 8:45 pm (et) amhistoryguy: Trying to keep track of everyone was truly confusing.
5/6/2007 8:46 pm (et) Widow: Bragg liked Wheeler, trusted him. So if Wheeler reported it, it must be true. Gad! A senior general and the kid.5/6/2007 8:46 pm (et) amhistoryguy: Or was that an excuse to hide his embarrassment (and fear) that his officers and men were on the verge of no longer following him?
5/6/2007 8:47 pm (et) Widow: AHG, Joe Johnston made strategic withdrawals to save his army, nothing crazy about that concept.5/6/2007 8:48 pm (et) Widow: So, come to think of it, did Marse Robert.
5/6/2007 8:48 pm (et) Widow: AHG, do you mean Bragg's decision to withdraw was to cover his embarrassment?5/6/2007 8:48 pm (et) amhistoryguy: Their lack of confidence in him bothered him to the point of asking them outright if they would prefer him to resign. The yes answer had to have un nerved him.
5/6/2007 8:48 pm (et) ks: Or was what an excuse? Do you mean that believing Wheeler's report?5/6/2007 8:49 pm (et) Widow: Memo to General: Don't ask a question if you don't want to hear the answer.
5/6/2007 8:50 pm (et) amhistoryguy: Bragg changed his mind, and probably did not want to admit that he trusted the advice given to him earlier. Saying he had intel from Wheeler set the reasons away from the conspiracy he thought was brewing.5/6/2007 8:50 pm (et) ole: enters the chatroom.
5/6/2007 8:50 pm (et) ks: And then when you get the answer, work to sink all of those who didn't speak as you wished. As I said, reading about the workings of the AoT at this time was so discouraging. Had to have had a very negative affect on the soldiers to see this playing out.5/6/2007 8:51 pm (et) Widow: Ya know what, AHG? I think the AoT was commanded by a buncha egotistical lunkheads. Those guys shoulda gone through basic training. Twice.
5/6/2007 8:51 pm (et) Babs: That was a self fulfilling prophesy. He fretted about a conspiracy until there actually was one.5/6/2007 8:52 pm (et) amhistoryguy: Whether he belived Wheeler or not, didn't matter for him, he used Wheeler's report as a reason. Otherwise, why would Bragg have not reasoned - "Where would Rosecrans be getting substantial reinforcements from" Had Bragg done that, his answer would have been, He can
5/6/2007 8:52 pm (et) ole: I take it the discussion centers on Braxton B?5/6/2007 8:52 pm (et) amhistoryguy: He can't be getting reinforced.
5/6/2007 8:52 pm (et) Widow: Babs, then he can say to himself, "See? I told you so." Like his argument with himself as quartermaster pre-war out west.5/6/2007 8:53 pm (et) amhistoryguy: Bragg's decision to withdraw, citing Wheeler's intel as the deciding factor.
5/6/2007 8:53 pm (et) Babs: lol. I forgot about that! He was always a lunkhead.5/6/2007 8:53 pm (et) Widow: Bragg was in way over his head, and with his health problems, he was too unstable for such a high job.
5/6/2007 8:54 pm (et) Widow: Rosecrans wasn't unstable, but he forgot his job a couple of times, moved units around, and his men liked him.5/6/2007 8:55 pm (et) Babs: AHG, He didn't have to think of that logic on his own. Liddell spelled it out to him... to no avail.
5/6/2007 8:55 pm (et) amhistoryguy: Look over your shoulder long enough and you are bound to see something sinister Babs, or in Bragg's case, create something sinister.5/6/2007 8:55 pm (et) amhistoryguy: Shall we move on - to more Bragg bashing..
5/6/2007 8:56 pm (et) amhistoryguy: in Chapter Sixteen CSA Bragg’s subordinate officers let Bragg know that they, and the army, no longer have confidence in him, and they feel he should resign. The chapter deals with laying blame, and there seems to be plenty of it to go around. Cheatham’s drunkenness comes out again.5/6/2007 8:56 pm (et) ole: Is there anyone more fun to bash than Bragg?
5/6/2007 8:58 pm (et) Widow: In a way I felt sorry for the guy. He was so clueless, and his immediate subordintes were the worst scoundrels in the CSA. Pillow, Polk, Cheatham, Breckinridge.5/6/2007 8:58 pm (et) amhistoryguy: I couldn't help but think, reading this chapter, with so much drunkenness, intrigues, infighting and personality conflicts, going on it is sort of surprising that the rebellion was not put down in only a year or two
5/6/2007 8:58 pm (et) ole: Another credit to Johnny.5/6/2007 8:58 pm (et) amhistoryguy: How long could it take to round up a bunch of drunks.
5/6/2007 8:59 pm (et) Babs: The foot soldier carried them as far as they got.5/6/2007 8:59 pm (et) Widow: AHG, but all that ado about something was in Tennessee, not all over the Confederacy. Lee didn't have mutinous subordinates. Neither did Taylor and EK Smith, as far as I know.
5/6/2007 8:59 pm (et) amhistoryguy: That's my point ole, the credit must go to the common soldier. His leaders were not doing anything to help him.5/6/2007 9:00 pm (et) ole: Was there really that much inebriation? Or are we talking stories from the ranks in which the general is always drunk?
5/6/2007 9:00 pm (et) ks: Accept that the Federals had their share of infighting, personality conflicts and drunks as well, did they not?5/6/2007 9:00 pm (et) Widow: Ole, he doesn't have to be drunk ALWAYS to get that rep. Just when it COUNTS, as when commanding a corps.
5/6/2007 9:01 pm (et) ole: Were the easterners any more abstemious than the westerners?5/6/2007 9:01 pm (et) ks: ole, I've often wondered that myself.
5/6/2007 9:01 pm (et) amhistoryguy: It seems there are a lot more stories than I realized - Cheatham falling down drunk on a number of occasions.5/6/2007 9:01 pm (et) Widow: ole, not hardly.
5/6/2007 9:02 pm (et) amhistoryguy: They sure did ks, and they overcame them with manpower and money.5/6/2007 9:02 pm (et) Widow: AHG, either lots of witnesses saw him drunk once, or one witness saw him drunk lots of times, or -----
5/6/2007 9:03 pm (et) ole: Was this incident the only story on Cheatham? Or were there others?5/6/2007 9:03 pm (et) Babs: Our next book is about Cheatham. Maybe we should have some whiskey as we chat about it.
5/6/2007 9:03 pm (et) mobile_96: Tennessee Whiskey of course5/6/2007 9:04 pm (et) amhistoryguy: Now you're talken Babs - I've got my Woodford Reserve set to go !
5/6/2007 9:04 pm (et) ks: I wasn't aware of any such stories on Cheatham until I did the reading for tonight. Look forward to seeing what the upcoming book, "Tennessee's Forgotten Warriors: Frank Cheatham and His Confederate Division" by Christopher Losson (notice the plug for the next book we'll share) treats Cheatham.5/6/2007 9:04 pm (et) ks: Babs beat me to the plug!! ;)
5/6/2007 9:04 pm (et) Babs: :^)5/6/2007 9:05 pm (et) Widow: By the way, I've seen Cheatham called Ben and also Frank. It was so common for men to use their middle names.
5/6/2007 9:05 pm (et) amhistoryguy: Is it at all significant that Murfreesboro is within a mile or two of the exact geographic center of Tennessee?5/6/2007 9:05 pm (et) ole: Guess I could spring for a 5th of George Dickel.
5/6/2007 9:05 pm (et) ks: BTW that blurb on TN history that said Bragg was married...noticed it was authored by...Christopher Losson. Knew that name looked familiar.5/6/2007 9:05 pm (et) Widow: Of course it is, AHG !! I just don't know why or how, that's all.
5/6/2007 9:06 pm (et) ks: I don't know, ahg? Do you think it is??5/6/2007 9:06 pm (et) ole: It might matter in a trivia contest.
5/6/2007 9:06 pm (et) amhistoryguy: I think it was a perfect place for a supply base if you were interested in holding Tennessee.5/6/2007 9:06 pm (et) Widow: The big question is, why is being the geographic center of Tennessee important?
5/6/2007 9:06 pm (et) ole: Centralia, Illinois in one year. Centralia, Missouri in another. Yawn.5/6/2007 9:07 pm (et) ks: Getting very rumbly outside and we're under a tornado watch. Should I stop posting, you'll know it's because that lightning got too close.
5/6/2007 9:07 pm (et) amhistoryguy: It might have been more significant to the Confederacy than to the Union.5/6/2007 9:07 pm (et) ks: That does make sense.
5/6/2007 9:08 pm (et) amhistoryguy: Anyone have a thought on what significance the battle of Stones River had in the war, if any, or as it just another in a string of bloodletting's?5/6/2007 9:08 pm (et) Widow: AHG, significant that Cheatham was a drunk? Or in the middle? What ARE we talking about here? :=))
5/6/2007 9:08 pm (et) ole: Murphreesboro had more of a logistical significance than its geographically central location.5/6/2007 9:08 pm (et) amhistoryguy: It certainly had to have been a psychological boast for the North while it further divided the Confederate command structure and planted some seeds of doubt in the minds of the common soldiers who could not understand the withdrawal from what they thought was certain victory.
5/6/2007 9:09 pm (et) Widow: AHG, per Cozzens, the political significance of the Federal win was pretty big in the North. Many people wiped their brow and said, "Whew, we barely squeaked through 1862."5/6/2007 9:09 pm (et) ole: Think Stone's river was of only minor significance in that it was one of the last steps in losing Tennessee.
5/6/2007 9:09 pm (et) ole: Widow: Good point.5/6/2007 9:10 pm (et) amhistoryguy: That boost was very important Widow, to be sure.
5/6/2007 9:11 pm (et) Widow: Counterpoint to that, ole, is the heavy criticism of Bragg in the South. The dissension almost destroyed the AoT.5/6/2007 9:12 pm (et) amhistoryguy: I wonder if the Confederacy had held the field, and forced the Union to withdraw to Nashvile, if the Confederate attitude in spring would have been such to launch an offensive?
5/6/2007 9:12 pm (et) Widow: Cozzens pointed out that Bragg spent the first months of '63 fighting his gray enemies instead of his blue enemies.5/6/2007 9:13 pm (et) Widow: AHG, nah, I don't think so. Every victory for the CSA was so costly that they couldn't afford to keep on winning.
5/6/2007 9:13 pm (et) ole: The pyrhhic victory.5/6/2007 9:14 pm (et) amhistoryguy: Going into spring with a withdrawal might have set a number of Confederate farmers thinking more about planting crops than planting Yankees.
5/6/2007 9:14 pm (et) ole: With a clear victory at Stones' River, there might have been a profound affect.5/6/2007 9:14 pm (et) Widow: Good phrase, AHG. :=))
5/6/2007 9:15 pm (et) Widow: A few more bloody costly wins by the Secesh might have helped the Copperheads and those who wanted to secede up north.5/6/2007 9:16 pm (et) amhistoryguy: Any further thoughts on NO BETTER PLACE TO DIE, or are we ready to plant this one?
5/6/2007 9:16 pm (et) ole: Beside the Yanks?5/6/2007 9:16 pm (et) Widow: Let's plant it. RIP.
5/6/2007 9:16 pm (et) Babs: I hear "Taps"5/6/2007 9:17 pm (et) amhistoryguy: Well then, that concludes NO BETTER PLACE TO DIE, by Peter Cozzens. Thanks to everyone who participated.
5/6/2007 9:18 pm (et) ole: Thank you again, hockey sub.5/6/2007 9:18 pm (et) amhistoryguy: I think a lot of this stuff will come back to us when we are on the ground at Stones River.
5/6/2007 9:18 pm (et) mobile_96: And thanks for acting as moderator AMH.5/6/2007 9:18 pm (et) ks: Thanks for taking the helm, ahg. :) Now does everyone have a copy of the Losson book??
5/6/2007 9:18 pm (et) Widow: Thanks, everybody, for another great evening. Frank Cheatham is on deck, in when, two weeks?5/6/2007 9:19 pm (et) ole: Ordered from the NPS a troop movement map that looks pretty good. Wanted an advance look.
5/6/2007 9:19 pm (et) Babs: Thank you, AHG5/6/2007 9:19 pm (et) Widow: Yup, that I do, miz KS, maam.
5/6/2007 9:19 pm (et) amhistoryguy: No problem, I don't have the book yet, but I've got Whiskey so I'll be fine ks.5/6/2007 9:19 pm (et) mobile_96: Finally got mine KS, so ready to go
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