Book Chat
For Cause & For Country
A Study of the Affair at Spring Hill and the Battle of Franklin
Eric A. Jacobson and Richard A. Rupp

This chat took place in the Civil War Home Chatroom on 02/11/07 and covered Chapter 3.  This discussion was participated in by "Eric A. Jacobson", one of the authors of the book.

2/11/2007 8:02 pm (et) Basecat: Welcome to the 3rd installment of the Sunday Night book chat featuring Eric A. Jacobson and Richard A. Rupps book For Cause and For Country: A Study of the Affair at Spring Hill and the Battle of Franklin. Tonight's discussion will be focused on Chapter 3. The Roads To Spring Hill.

2/11/2007 8:03 pm (et) Basecat: Reminder to all, Please refrain from using the Private Message mode during the chat. Thanks.

2/11/2007 8:06 pm (et) Basecat: I thought I would start with an observation that I gleamed from the chapter. After reading this, I have to wonder just what Hood could see of the action as it took place. I know he could hear it, but as mentioned in the book just how far behind was he?

2/11/2007 8:07 pm (et) REL: Wasn't Hood on the south side of the river at that time?

2/11/2007 8:07 pm (et) Widow: When he wrote Advance and Retreat, he saw all the action. In his mind's eye, maybe, but not for real.

2/11/2007 8:07 pm (et) mobile_96: Plus the terrain Base.

2/11/2007 8:07 pm (et) ks: I know I run the risk of looking pretty ignorant in this crowd by admitting this, but I've had trouble keeping track of who is who in the first chapters. By that I mean, for me it's not familiar names of commanders (aside from Hood and Cleburne). When there's mention of so and so moving their division or corps, I have to check and double check to be certain I know if it's Federal or CSA.

2/11/2007 8:08 pm (et) mobile_96: Though he had already crossed the river and was starting north.

2/11/2007 8:08 pm (et) Basecat: REL...He was still near Columbia IIRC....and yet he stated that he could see what was happening.

2/11/2007 8:08 pm (et) Widow: I agree. Cheatham, Chalmers, Cleburne. Lots of Wilsons and Browns, thank goodness for the index and OOBs at the end.

2/11/2007 8:09 pm (et) Babs: KS, Me too.

2/11/2007 8:09 pm (et) Vickie: I have had trouble keeping track of who's who also ks.

2/11/2007 8:09 pm (et) mobile_96: I've had trouble following the movements, since half the towns mentioned are not on the map.

2/11/2007 8:09 pm (et) Vickie: Like you say, not familiar names to me.

2/11/2007 8:10 pm (et) amhistoryguy: Nice to hear I'm not alone.

2/11/2007 8:10 pm (et) Widow: Footnote 48 on page 106 spells out clearly that Hood couldn't have seen what he claimed, there was an intervening rise in the ground.

2/11/2007 8:11 pm (et) REL: Base -- tell us what he saw (a summary).

2/11/2007 8:11 pm (et) ks: mobile, I mentioned that a couple of weeks ago. I refer to the maps frequently, but don't always find the name of the place I'm seeking. Did pull out that HUGE OR atlas today and tried to place things. Can't say I faired much better.

2/11/2007 8:11 pm (et) REL: That was my thought.

2/11/2007 8:11 pm (et) REL: I was in Columbia two weeks ago.

2/11/2007 8:11 pm (et) mobile_96: Base, thought he was 'thinking he saw what was happening' after he reached the Rally Hill Pike.

2/11/2007 8:12 pm (et) mobile_96: Only map close is 149, and that doesn't cover all of them either

2/11/2007 8:13 pm (et) mobile_96: And I have a question on the map on page 85 of Eric's book.

2/11/2007 8:13 pm (et) Basecat: REL it stems from a conversation he had with Cheatham as the action took place. He tells Cheatham to attack the Union soldiers he could see, but years later Cheatham said that conversation never happened between them.

2/11/2007 8:13 pm (et) Widow: 'Tain't fair to discuss a place but not show it on the map. I like to KNOW what's where, even if the generals didn't.

2/11/2007 8:13 pm (et) EricJacobson: Okay I'm ready

2/11/2007 8:13 pm (et) mobile_96: Right Base, but that was on the Rally Hill Pike.

2/11/2007 8:14 pm (et) Basecat: Mobile...Guess that's why I got confused. :)

2/11/2007 8:16 pm (et) Widow: ?

2/11/2007 8:17 pm (et) ks: I guess I'd like to ask you, Eric, how do you keep yourself oriented to the troop movements? Yes, I presume you have great familiarity with years of study. But was there some map (or were there maps) in particular that YOU used during your study??

2/11/2007 8:17 pm (et) Basecat: I guess the point I am making is that he was a little too far back to get a correct idea as to what was going on...Especially at this critical phase of his plans.

2/11/2007 8:18 pm (et) REL: That's what I thought. Especially to see north of Columbia where Spring Hill is located.

2/11/2007 8:18 pm (et) EricJacobson: Maps related to Spring Hill are practically non-existent. I had to piece everything together using various accounts.

2/11/2007 8:18 pm (et) Basecat: Go ahead Widow.

2/11/2007 8:18 pm (et) mobile_96: Eric, map, page 85, I'm a bit confused, something not unusual. Hood has crossed Duck River and is on Davis Ford Road, did he cut north, just past Bear Creek-cross over Rutherford Hill and then vear to the Right until he hit Rally Hill Pike, or travel north east after Bear Creek, cross the Shelbyville road and move to Rally Hill Pike and then head west?

2/11/2007 8:20 pm (et) EricJacobson: He crossed Bear Creek and then over Rutherford Hill

2/11/2007 8:21 pm (et) EricJacobson: Beyond Rutherford Hill he swung northeast to Rally Hill Pike

2/11/2007 8:21 pm (et) EricJacobson: Something interesting about Rutherford Hill....

2/11/2007 8:21 pm (et) Widow: A follow-up to Mobile's question, Eric. Forrest evidently was east of Rutherford Hill, more or less? Then he turned west to advance toward Spring Hill?

2/11/2007 8:22 pm (et) mobile_96: Thank you, much clearer now, at least from Columbia on.

2/11/2007 8:22 pm (et) EricJacobson: Forrest moved up Lewisburg Pike, thru Hurt's Cross Roads, to Mt. Carmel. He was well east of the infantry.

2/11/2007 8:22 pm (et) Widow: OK, thx.

2/11/2007 8:23 pm (et) Widow: Basecat and ks, are we doing the ? to ask permission to pose a question?

2/11/2007 8:23 pm (et) Basecat: Widow, not tonight...just ask away as it works better as a discussion and a lot less formal.

2/11/2007 8:24 pm (et) EricJacobson: When Hood talked about being able to see Columbia Pike from Rutherford Creek, many believe he was referring to the point where the Rebel army crossed Rutherford Creek. Frankly, the way Hood wrote his memoirs that is exactly what the reader would think. But myself and the county archivist in Columbia, TN have always wondered if Hood actually was referring to the seeing the pike from the crest of Rutherford Hill, well before crossing the creek. With no leaves on the trees you can actually see the pike from that hill.

2/11/2007 8:25 pm (et) Basecat: Eric, the other thing I noticed in terms of the Confederate movements. Lack of artilleryas I gather all of it was with Lee south of the River?

2/11/2007 8:27 pm (et) EricJacobson: At least two batteries moved with the infantry, perhaps as many as three

2/11/2007 8:27 pm (et) EricJacobson: The rest remained in Columbia

2/11/2007 8:27 pm (et) mobile_96: Would he have seen Union movement if he was viewing the Pike from the hill crest?

2/11/2007 8:28 pm (et) amhistoryguy: When CSA Bell's cavalry reformed near the Rally Hill Pike, you mentioned that they only had about 4 rounds per man, and that ordnance wagons were still at Columbia. You said, "Bell's men would be forced to improvise." How did they improvise lack of ammunition?

2/11/2007 8:28 pm (et) EricJacobson: I think it is possible he may actually spotted some of Wagner's men as they were moving north. Early in the day, when Wagner's men were between Columbia and Spring Hill and Hood was still further south, that is a real possibility

2/11/2007 8:29 pm (et) Widow: Thx. Eric, a question about the cavalry regiments. On p. 92 you mention Hoefling's 12th Tennessee Cavalry in Schofield's command; then in the footnote 23, p. 92, the 10th Tennessee Cavalry, in Forrest's outfit. Can you explain that to me, Union cavalrymen from Tennessee?

2/11/2007 8:29 pm (et) EricJacobson: AMHG - according to one source they were told to yell. No kidding.

2/11/2007 8:30 pm (et) ks: Yell?? As in skeer the bejeebers out of the Yanks??

2/11/2007 8:30 pm (et) EricJacobson: Widow - there were numerous Union cavalry units which hailed from Tennessee

2/11/2007 8:30 pm (et) Widow: Wow, OK, thx.

2/11/2007 8:31 pm (et) Widow: KS, maybe also pick up cartridges from their dead and wounded?

2/11/2007 8:31 pm (et) amhistoryguy: Seems to me that SOMEONE would have questioned the notion to press an attack by yelling. Hood certainly seems to have somewhat clouded judgment.

2/11/2007 8:31 pm (et) EricJacobson: Widow - two Federal infantry units from Tennessee also fought at Franklin.

2/11/2007 8:31 pm (et) Widow: Eric, that DOES get confusing. I'm sure the citizens were bewildered too.

2/11/2007 8:32 pm (et) Basecat: amhg, which to me makes me wonder just how much sleep he had gotten in the days before the fighting started. Does not sound like he got all that much.

2/11/2007 8:32 pm (et) ks: Can you elaborate more on the source that states men were told to yell? That's a curiosity. :)

2/11/2007 8:34 pm (et) Basecat: Just an aside Widow, but IIRC, in the backyard of the CWi compound there are a few graves there of soldiers who served with the TN Union Cavalry.

2/11/2007 8:34 pm (et) amhistoryguy: How long would it have taken to bring up ammuniton? Seems like a worthwhile delay if you are intending to press a battle.

2/11/2007 8:34 pm (et) EricJacobson: Everyone on both sides are a mess. Tired, cold, hungry, wet, etc.

2/11/2007 8:35 pm (et) EricJacobson: KS - the source for yelling is J. P. Young, a cavalrymen who was present that day. It was Forrest who said only four rounds per man remained.

2/11/2007 8:36 pm (et) ks: And does Young say who told them to yell?

2/11/2007 8:36 pm (et) Widow: A few Rebel yells, and your side's all warmed up but the enemy is frozen. Works for me.

2/11/2007 8:36 pm (et) EricJacobson: AMHG - can't tell you how long it would have taken to bring up extra ammo. But daylight was fast running out, and both Forrest and Cleburne voiced no opposition to moving forward.

2/11/2007 8:36 pm (et) EricJacobson: KS - I don't believe he did

2/11/2007 8:36 pm (et) REL: Eric,

2/11/2007 8:37 pm (et) ks: Remember this for Muster. ;) When in doubt or sorely pressed, lacking supplies, just YELL. ;) I'm sure MAP will appreciate this as a historically accurate gesture. ;) ;)

2/11/2007 8:37 pm (et) Basecat: Also from my interpretation of the reading, the roads were a mess as well and that had to be a major part of the problem trying to resupply ammo as well.

2/11/2007 8:37 pm (et) REL: Were the Union troops spread out much heading up that road toward Franklin before they camped for the night?

2/11/2007 8:37 pm (et) amhistoryguy: Thanks, seems like mass bad judgment : )

2/11/2007 8:37 pm (et) EricJacobson: AMHG - the ordnance train with extra ammo was still at Columbia. No way to get it up quickly.

2/11/2007 8:38 pm (et) EricJacobson: REL - if you are referring to the Union troops, they did not camp. They kept moving all night.

2/11/2007 8:38 pm (et) amhistoryguy: Yelling is so much more effective than shooting. Doesn't work around here though --- MARY !

2/11/2007 8:38 pm (et) EricJacobson: AMHG - that's war

2/11/2007 8:39 pm (et) Widow: :=))

2/11/2007 8:39 pm (et) ks: Sounds like an effective way to tick off the enemy, or confuse them anyway. ;)

2/11/2007 8:40 pm (et) REL: Ok!

2/11/2007 8:41 pm (et) ks: I'm not trying to just nail Eric with questions, anyone who's been in the area, please speak up here. I have no idea of how identifiable the terrain is in this day and age. If traveling in the area, what remains of these creeks, hills, pikes? Can one stand and make sense of it? With a capable guide, I know it'll help tremendously. Trying to get the mental picture.

2/11/2007 8:41 pm (et) ks: Forgot the smile in my last. Was typed with a :)

2/11/2007 8:43 pm (et) EricJacobson: KS - as of today much of it remains the same. Still very easy to identify. But sadly I will all of it change in my lifetime.

2/11/2007 8:44 pm (et) mobile_96: At least we'll have a chance to see some of it before it does change.

2/11/2007 8:44 pm (et) EricJacobson: Indeed

2/11/2007 8:45 pm (et) Basecat: Have been out that way one time, and that was at the first Muster, and do remember driving a lot of two lane roads and the terrain was quite hilly. Then again I was not really paying attention to the ground as I was concentrating on reading the road signs.

2/11/2007 8:45 pm (et) REL: The terrain is a mixed of rolling hills and flat areas today.

2/11/2007 8:45 pm (et) EricJacobson: REL - are you from the area?

2/11/2007 8:45 pm (et) ks: Does any of it have CW signage?

2/11/2007 8:46 pm (et) EricJacobson: Very little signage

2/11/2007 8:46 pm (et) REL: Yes.

2/11/2007 8:46 pm (et) Widow: Let's see. Schofield worried about being flanked until it was almost too late to reposition his men. Hood misread Schofield's positions. It's a wonder they ever found each other at all.

2/11/2007 8:46 pm (et) Basecat: ks.:) That was a problem I had when out there. Signs were like postage stamps if there were any.

2/11/2007 8:46 pm (et) REL: But I am not familiar with all the side roads--the over all area.

2/11/2007 8:46 pm (et) amhistoryguy: Were there any newspaper men with Schofield? Many or any reports in newspapers that you drew from?

2/11/2007 8:47 pm (et) amhistoryguy: Only gives one perspective though, I know.

2/11/2007 8:47 pm (et) EricJacobson: No contemporary newspaper accounts to speak of. A couple relating to Franklin, but not Spring Hill.

2/11/2007 8:50 pm (et) Basecat: Just how far is Columbia from Spring Hill?

2/11/2007 8:50 pm (et) ks: This isn't a question, just a comment about the section read for tonight. Very much enjoyed reading about Benjamin F. Cheatham. So often AoT (former chatroom member...for those who might not know) waxed on about Cheatham. Wasn't his old hound dog, Frank, named in his honor? I'd like to read more on Cheatham. Any titles to suggest??

2/11/2007 8:50 pm (et) Widow: Eric, I especially liked the picture you sketched of the Union cavalry fighting east of Spring Hill, with their Spencer repeaters and revolving Colt rifles. Impressive firepower.

2/11/2007 8:50 pm (et) amhistoryguy: Thanks, to me that's kind of surprising.

2/11/2007 8:50 pm (et) ks: As long as we can decipher the meaning, typos matter not here, Eric.

2/11/2007 8:50 pm (et) REL: Picture a road running North to South. On that road is Columbia--north of Columbia about 3-6 miles, along that road, is Spring Hill. The Confederates came in from the South caught the Yankees around Columbia. Hood was sent out to the east to swing around on the right and cut off the Yankees heading up the road due north. He caught them but had no ammunition. They continue, during the night to go due north up that road.

2/11/2007 8:50 pm (et) REL: South to North

2/11/2007 8:51 pm (et) EricJacobson: Basecat - about 13 miles

2/11/2007 8:51 pm (et) mobile_96: About how many men did Schofield still have at Columbia before he started heading north?

2/11/2007 8:51 pm (et) EricJacobson: KS - Losson's book about Cheatham and his division. It is listed in my bibliography.

2/11/2007 8:51 pm (et) EricJacobson: Thanks Widow.

2/11/2007 8:52 pm (et) EricJacobson: REL - the 3-6 miles relates to today. In 1864 Columbia was entirely south of the Duck River and Spring Hill was, well, practically nothing.

2/11/2007 8:53 pm (et) REL: Right...that would be today--might have been twice that then....

2/11/2007 8:53 pm (et) EricJacobson: From the Cheairs house (today the Tennessee Children's home) to the Duck River is about 13 miles

2/11/2007 8:53 pm (et) ks: Thanks, I'll do some googling and see how readily available would be a copy of Tennessee's Forgotten Warriors: Frank Cheatham and His Confederate Division by Christopher Losson.

2/11/2007 8:53 pm (et) REL: Columbia is so spread out today.

2/11/2007 8:53 pm (et) EricJacobson: KS - it is a fabulous book

2/11/2007 8:54 pm (et) Basecat: ks..I just looked on Amazon...Have copies both in Hardcover and Paperback, but in the $20 range for both.

2/11/2007 8:54 pm (et) Basecat: They have copies I should say.

2/11/2007 8:55 pm (et) Widow: Besides, ks, Cheatham was pretty darned good-looking. :=))

2/11/2007 8:55 pm (et) ks: 18 used & new available from $4.99 according to amazon. That looks promising.

2/11/2007 8:56 pm (et) EricJacobson: This is pure speculation, but I bet if Cheatham walked in a room you couldn't miss him. Big, loud, engaging, friendly.

2/11/2007 8:56 pm (et) ks: Looks like a rogue, Widow. Something about rogues... ;)

2/11/2007 8:56 pm (et) EricJacobson: Liked pretty girls and whiskey

2/11/2007 8:56 pm (et) EricJacobson: And horses

2/11/2007 8:56 pm (et) EricJacobson: And fighting

2/11/2007 8:56 pm (et) REL: Eric, did Yankee soldiers accidentally walk into Forrest's camp that night as the Yank headed North?

2/11/2007 8:56 pm (et) Widow: I like guys who like pretty girls.

2/11/2007 8:57 pm (et) Basecat: And yes...AoT's dog was named for Cheatham, and oops...$20 price range was for the PB version.

2/11/2007 8:57 pm (et) EricJacobson: I don't think so

2/11/2007 8:57 pm (et) EricJacobson: I've heard all sorts of stories, but I have always question their accuracy. The two sides were close, but not as close as many may think.

2/11/2007 8:58 pm (et) amhistoryguy: I was surprised, in reading the Nov - Dec entries from John Jones "Rebel War Clerk's Diary," that Richmond seemed to be unaware of what was going on with Hood.

2/11/2007 8:59 pm (et) ole: abebooks has it for $8

2/11/2007 8:59 pm (et) EricJacobson: AMHG - telegraphic communication was poor at best

2/11/2007 8:59 pm (et) Basecat: Eric, which is a good point, as I have often found it hard to believe if they were as close as some say that they could just slip buy as they did.

2/11/2007 9:00 pm (et) EricJacobson: And so much happens between Nov 21 and Nov 30

2/11/2007 9:00 pm (et) EricJacobson: Basecat - I think in most places they were 300 - 400 yards from one another. Close, but not close enough to light pipes, etc.

2/11/2007 9:00 pm (et) EricJacobson: HOWEVER.....

2/11/2007 9:00 pm (et) Widow: AHG, did Jones give you the impression that Richmond was worried about Hood's silence?

2/11/2007 9:00 pm (et) amhistoryguy: Not until just before Christmas that rumors of Hoods terrific losses came in. Big concern about many men refusing to stay with Hood, and instead, just returning to their homes.

2/11/2007 9:01 pm (et) ole: Given the country, would there have been any telegraph available after he left Florence?

2/11/2007 9:01 pm (et) EricJacobson: Early in the evening, before the final Rebel lines were in place, Dick English of Granbury's staff wandered onto the pike and got swept up by Yankee flankers.

2/11/2007 9:01 pm (et) Basecat: Just a thought on Richmond during this time, as to me they were more concerned with what Sherman was doing in Georgia.

2/11/2007 9:01 pm (et) amhistoryguy: Not worried, but completely in the dark as to what was going on. First reports actually had Hood winning a big victory.

2/11/2007 9:01 pm (et) EricJacobson: Ole - not that I know of. Remember, Hood was never in the actual town of Columbia so until Franklin there was no telegraph service

2/11/2007 9:02 pm (et) ole: Telegraph service to Chattanooga and Nashville?

2/11/2007 9:03 pm (et) EricJacobson: Ole - not for sure.

2/11/2007 9:03 pm (et) amhistoryguy: I would have thought that if Hood was supposed to be the last hope of the Confederacy, there would have been some concern about what was going on. Although as you mention, Basecat, Sherman was a more pressing concern.

2/11/2007 9:04 pm (et) ole: Point was, couldn't have reached Richmond except through Yankee papers.

2/11/2007 9:04 pm (et) Widow: My thought, too, AHG.

2/11/2007 9:04 pm (et) ks: Amazon 1-click is deadly. I believe I've got my Cheatham book ordered. ;)

2/11/2007 9:05 pm (et) Babs: KS, Freudian Slip?

2/11/2007 9:05 pm (et) Basecat: To me at this time, Lee was the last hope of the Confederacy, at least that is how Davis usually acted. IIRC, Governor Brown of GA was particularly a nuisance telegraph wise while Sherman was marching to the sea, but that's a story for another time.

2/11/2007 9:05 pm (et) REL: I think that there was telegraph service between Franklin and Nashvile in 1863.

2/11/2007 9:06 pm (et) EricJacobson: There was definitely service between Franklin & Nashville in late 1864

2/11/2007 9:06 pm (et) REL: I mean between Franklin and Chattanooga.

2/11/2007 9:07 pm (et) Widow: Either way, REL, Hood couldn't wire Davis with reports.

2/11/2007 9:07 pm (et) Basecat: Widow, especially with Thomas in Nashville. :)

2/11/2007 9:08 pm (et) EricJacobson: Busy in here tonight

2/11/2007 9:08 pm (et) Widow: Basecat, perzackly.

2/11/2007 9:09 pm (et) mobile_96: Big names bring in big crowds

2/11/2007 9:09 pm (et) REL: Eric, what was the most important lesson you learned about Hood's attempt to catch the federals in an around Columbia?

2/11/2007 9:09 pm (et) EricJacobson: Mobile - pretty funny.

2/11/2007 9:10 pm (et) EricJacobson: REL - That luck and circumstance are a huge part of life.

2/11/2007 9:10 pm (et) EricJacobson: Schofield was so close to getting bagged and Hood was so close to pulling off the impossible

2/11/2007 9:11 pm (et) Basecat: And will add that Hood had lousy luck during the Civil War.

2/11/2007 9:11 pm (et) Widow: Looks like Hood's luck was mostly bad. Mud, rain, mud.

2/11/2007 9:11 pm (et) REL: What would have happened if Hood had captured that Union force?

2/11/2007 9:11 pm (et) EricJacobson: Hood's luck wasn't nearly as bad the Army of Tennessee. The never had any good luck.

2/11/2007 9:11 pm (et) Babs: Not to mention his missing body bits.

2/11/2007 9:12 pm (et) EricJacobson: REL - I don't think Schofield would just have surrendered. But there might have been a helluva fight at Spring Hill on November 30. One thing for certain, there would have been no Battle of Franklin, at least the way it turned out.

2/11/2007 9:13 pm (et) mobile_96: REL, good question, would have tied up quite a bit of Hoods forces for a while guarding.

2/11/2007 9:13 pm (et) REL: However, that still did not mean that Hood could have taken Nashville? Right? He would have had to head north to Ky.?? What do you think?

2/11/2007 9:14 pm (et) EricJacobson: REL - Nashville would still have been a very tough nut to crack. It is the ultimate what if.

2/11/2007 9:14 pm (et) amhistoryguy: On Dec. 27, Jones writes " I saw today a letter from Gen. Beauregard to Gen. Cooper, wherein it was indicated that Gen. Hood's plan of penetrating Tennessee was adopted before Beauregard was ordered to that section."

2/11/2007 9:15 pm (et) EricJacobson: Union authorities (Grant, etc.) were nearly out of their skulls after Franklin. Imagine if Hood had done serious damage to Schofield's army. Who knows what might have happened.

2/11/2007 9:15 pm (et) jimtno: Its always been my impression that the chances of Hood taking Nashville and Franklin were some where between slim and none.. And slim just left the building.

2/11/2007 9:16 pm (et) EricJacobson: AMHG - interesting point. Davis even tried to distance himself from the Tennessee Campaign, but contemporary evidence indicates he knew exactly what Hood was up to.

2/11/2007 9:16 pm (et) amhistoryguy: Dec. 30, Jones wrote, " We have no news except that gleaned from Northern newspapers. Gen Hood is unable to cross the Tennessee River..."

2/11/2007 9:16 pm (et) Widow: Eric, were Schofield's troops just part of Thomas's command?

2/11/2007 9:17 pm (et) EricJacobson: Jimtno - his chances were greater than most realize. Union accounts clearly state they felt Hood had a chance at success.

2/11/2007 9:17 pm (et) amhistoryguy: Although from reading about Davis, it seems that that was also a period of time where he was very sick, and Varina was doing quite a bit of his correspondence etc.

2/11/2007 9:17 pm (et) EricJacobson: Widow - yes, in so many words.

2/11/2007 9:18 pm (et) amhistoryguy: Maybe Hood was taking orders from Varina Davis : )

2/11/2007 9:18 pm (et) REL: Eric, didn't the Union have gun boats back in Nashville?

2/11/2007 9:19 pm (et) Basecat: Folks...we are getting ahead to Franklin. Let's save that part of the discussion until we have read that part of the book. Thanks. :) BTW, Homework for next week will be Chapter 4.

2/11/2007 9:19 pm (et) Widow: OK, I take it that with Schofield wiped out, Thomas would have had a much harder time holding Nashville against Hood. As you say, the big what-if.

2/11/2007 9:19 pm (et) EricJacobson: AMHG - Davis gave several speeches after his visit to Palmetto, GA at the end of Sept 1864 which clearly indicated Hood was planning to invade Middle Tennessee. Interestingly, this is Sherman first heard about the plan, bu reading the papers. Guessing what Hood might do, he readied his move east and prepared to send Thomas back to Middle Tennessee to defend it.

2/11/2007 9:19 pm (et) jimtno: In the final book of Cattons triology, Scofield went about his preparations to "recieve Hood and the AoT with deliberation and thoroughness.

2/11/2007 9:20 pm (et) ks: This is an interesting discussion, and certainly discussion can continue. But we try to have definite points of reference in the book chat so that shotgun knows what to archive with a particular chapter. That's one good reason to post the homework and say that's officially it for tonight. ;)

2/11/2007 9:20 pm (et) EricJacobson: Thanks everyone

2/11/2007 9:20 pm (et) REL: Great presentation! Thanks, Eric.

2/11/2007 9:21 pm (et) Widow: And unofficially we can say Thanks Eric, for an excellent read and a rewarding chat.

2/11/2007 9:21 pm (et) mobile_96: Thank you Eric

2/11/2007 9:21 pm (et) amhistoryguy: Thank you Eric - and everyone

2/11/2007 9:21 pm (et) ole: thanks, Eric.

2/11/2007 9:21 pm (et) jimtno: Sorry to get in so late. Thank you Eric!

2/11/2007 9:21 pm (et) Babs: danke