Book Chat
Allegiance:
Fort Sumter, Charleston, and The Beginning of the Civil War
by
David Detzer

This chat took place in the Civil War Home Chatroom on 05/11/08 and covered Chapters 16, 17, & Postscript.

5/11/2008 9:06 pm (et) Susansweet: Welcome to the final discussion on Allegiance , Fort Sumter , Charleston and the Beginning of the Civil War.

5/11/2008 9:06 pm (et) Susansweet: Remember no private messages during the discussion.

5/11/2008 9:06 pm (et) Widow: Lead off, Miss Susan, we await.

5/11/2008 9:07 pm (et) Susansweet: The first chapter for tonight . A Mere Point of Honor

5/11/2008 9:07 pm (et) Susansweet: Any one have a comment

5/11/2008 9:08 pm (et) Widow: I had no idea that Ruffin's shot wasn't the very first. He lost his braggin' rights.

5/11/2008 9:08 pm (et) ole: That was Davis' earlier cautionary words to Pickens, wasn't it?

5/11/2008 9:09 pm (et) Widow: How could Suthun gents speak of a MERE point of honor? They lived and died by points of honor.

5/11/2008 9:09 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Roger Pryor, I think, represents the way a lot of the citizens, north and south, may have felt. "Secession" was an abstraction, but when it came down to the wire, reality was a lot more scary.

5/11/2008 9:09 pm (et) Susansweet: Thinks so. I love the quote under the title is Mao. How many Civil War books quote Melanie and Mao in the same book.

5/11/2008 9:10 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Incidentally, Ruffin would be rolling over in his grave if he knew the Ruffin name was now a company selling American flags.

5/11/2008 9:10 pm (et) Susansweet: Exactly Fan. talking about it is one thing , doing it is another.

5/11/2008 9:11 pm (et) Widow: They were sophisticated men, but so naive about the consequences.

5/11/2008 9:11 pm (et) Babs: Roger Pryor has annoyed me since we read a book about him and his wife a few years ago.

5/11/2008 9:11 pm (et) Susansweet: I was surprised that the group send by Beauregard to the fort did not return to him first but went to James Island to tell the battery there they would fire first.

5/11/2008 9:11 pm (et) Widow: Except Anderson, he knew.

5/11/2008 9:11 pm (et) Susansweet: What book was that babs?

5/11/2008 9:12 pm (et) Babs: I'll have to go look.

5/11/2008 9:12 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Fill us in on Roger Pryor, Babs.

5/11/2008 9:12 pm (et) ole: They might not have made it back in time. I took it that they stopped give the orders to open up at 0430.

5/11/2008 9:13 pm (et) Susansweet: Right I am assuming they had Beauregard's orders to do that so the first shot would be fired on time.

5/11/2008 9:13 pm (et) amhistoryguy: I wonder how many people complained about the postponement of the furniture sale at Wilber & Son.

5/11/2008 9:13 pm (et) mobile_96: They didn't make it back until after dawn

5/11/2008 9:13 pm (et) Widow: All those messengers, couriers, tourists, and do-gooders rowing around in the harbor. It's a wonder they didn't crash coming and going.

5/11/2008 9:14 pm (et) Susansweet: Detzer describes the firing so "beautifully".

5/11/2008 9:14 pm (et) mobile_96: Doubt very many amhg, too much else going on in town that day.

5/11/2008 9:14 pm (et) Susansweet: Like fireworks on the Fourth of July.

5/11/2008 9:14 pm (et) Susansweet: I did get tickled by that notice Dave,

5/11/2008 9:15 pm (et) amhistoryguy: I appreciate those details even though they do not directly pertain to the bombardment.

5/11/2008 9:15 pm (et) Susansweet: As all this firing is going on they were all amazed Sumter did not fire back. What do you think the people thought.

5/11/2008 9:16 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: I love the way Detzer throws in bits of "humor" to lighten the story. Still think this would make a great movie.

5/11/2008 9:16 pm (et) Widow: Their first guess probably was that Anderson was waiting for Fox, a major event.

5/11/2008 9:16 pm (et) ole: What do you think they'd have thought if they new Anderson wanted the crew to have breakfast first?

5/11/2008 9:16 pm (et) Susansweet: I do too. I would love to see it.

5/11/2008 9:17 pm (et) Widow: Anderson was practical - it was too dark to shoot, and the men needed their food. Simple.

5/11/2008 9:17 pm (et) Babs: I can't find which about to topple tower of books it is in. Do you remember the title Mobile? I just remember that both Pryors were self-centered willful people. The wife kept dragging her little kids into danger zones and having to be rescued.

5/11/2008 9:18 pm (et) mobile_96: Especially if they keep in the funny bits.

5/11/2008 9:18 pm (et) Susansweet: Do you think one of the balls smacked against the wall where Doubleday was sleeping ?

5/11/2008 9:18 pm (et) Susansweet: Or is this just Doubleday?

5/11/2008 9:18 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: I think Anderson's conduct was wonderful. He never seemed to lose his composure, although what must have gone through his mind during those two hours he was waiting to commence firing.

5/11/2008 9:18 pm (et) amhistoryguy: Kind of frustrating to launch a pitched battle, and not have your enemy bother to return fire.

5/11/2008 9:19 pm (et) Susansweet: Really made me respect Anderson.

5/11/2008 9:19 pm (et) Susansweet: Suppose you gave a battle and nobody fired?

5/11/2008 9:19 pm (et) ole: I thought the bit about Ruffin worried that the Fort wouldn't fight back and thus cheapen the taking.

5/11/2008 9:20 pm (et) Susansweet: Ruffin is such a strange character .

5/11/2008 9:21 pm (et) Susansweet: Dave , they mention the Blakely and how much more dangerous it was. Where would I find a picture of one ?

5/11/2008 9:21 pm (et) mobile_96: No bells here Babs.

5/11/2008 9:22 pm (et) amhistoryguy: In a fist fight between Ruffin and John Burns from Gettysburg, who would win? : )

5/11/2008 9:22 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: The beginning of the firing at 4:30 seems to be one of the few plans in the whole battle that came off as planned.

5/11/2008 9:22 pm (et) mobile_96: Burns

5/11/2008 9:22 pm (et) Susansweet: Fan and even there different watches said it started at different times.

5/11/2008 9:23 pm (et) 20thMass: Hello everyone.

5/11/2008 9:23 pm (et) Susansweet: Is Burn the older civilian at Gettysburg?

5/11/2008 9:23 pm (et) 20thMass: Yes

5/11/2008 9:23 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: True, Susan. I forgot the time differences.

5/11/2008 9:24 pm (et) 20thMass: He was also a War of 1812 veteran

5/11/2008 9:24 pm (et) Susansweet: Then Burns would win.

5/11/2008 9:24 pm (et) mobile_96: Very few people set their clocks to a common one.

5/11/2008 9:24 pm (et) Susansweet: Ruffin I think was mostly talk til the end of the war.

5/11/2008 9:25 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: My hubby says Ruffin was bigger than Burns. In a battle of egos, it would be a draw.

5/11/2008 9:25 pm (et) Susansweet: I have heard of some messages received before they were sent because time was not standard.

5/11/2008 9:25 pm (et) amhistoryguy: One of the Blakely's that was at Ft. Sumter is now on display in Galena, Illinois - There are photos of Blakelys in "Field Artillery Weapons of the Civil War, " page 198 & 199.

5/11/2008 9:26 pm (et) Susansweet: Will look for that thanks.

5/11/2008 9:26 pm (et) amhistoryguy: Also some Blakely Rifles at West Point.

5/11/2008 9:27 pm (et) Susansweet: That thing fired right into Doubleday's embasure.

5/11/2008 9:27 pm (et) ole: Were there more than one?

5/11/2008 9:27 pm (et) mobile_96: There is a artillery website that shows all the different type.

5/11/2008 9:27 pm (et) Susansweet: Just one at James island.

5/11/2008 9:28 pm (et) Susansweet: I love the guy saying I was only knocked down temporary.

5/11/2008 9:28 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Another interesting fact, I never knew cartridge bags had to be sewn. A needle, a needle, my kingdom for a needle.

5/11/2008 9:29 pm (et) Susansweet: That was amazing that they didn't have enough bags and then only had six needles to sew new bags with.

5/11/2008 9:29 pm (et) amhistoryguy: The one at James Island, was featured in a woodcut in Harpers. It has been determined that this is the gun at Galena. The ones at West Point are Blakely's but probably from later in the war.

5/11/2008 9:29 pm (et) ole: Different bag for every caliber, every weight, and every distance.

5/11/2008 9:30 pm (et) Susansweet: Interesting too how Doubleday devised methods to calculate firing as they had left instruments back at Moultrie.

5/11/2008 9:30 pm (et) Susansweet: Need to take a trip to Galena.

5/11/2008 9:30 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: If I were in charge of supplies, needles would sure be a priority. And, ole, I thought the mention of the different bags was fascinating.

5/11/2008 9:31 pm (et) Susansweet: And Ole they didn't have a proper scale to measure the powder.

5/11/2008 9:31 pm (et) Susansweet: Considering all the problems amazing they could even hold out like they did .

5/11/2008 9:31 pm (et) mobile_96: Were supposed to have a scale.

5/11/2008 9:32 pm (et) ole: Kind of amusing that Anderson, who appears to have thought of everything else, missed the bags and the needles.

5/11/2008 9:32 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Anderson wasn't in charge of the supplies. Bet he would have remembered if he had been.

5/11/2008 9:33 pm (et) Susansweet: They seem to have forgotten several things at Moultrie but considering how fast they had to move they did okay

5/11/2008 9:34 pm (et) Susansweet: What did you all think of the floating battery that now comes into play and the enfilading battery.

5/11/2008 9:36 pm (et) Susansweet: What ever happened to the floating battery after the battle ? Did it stick around?

5/11/2008 9:37 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: More incorrect information when the captain of the Pawnee wouldn't let his ship be used by Fox till the Powhatan (which was on its way to Florida) arrived. What a way to start a war!

5/11/2008 9:38 pm (et) Susansweet: Any other comments on this chapter ?

5/11/2008 9:38 pm (et) ole: A part in there was disturbing. Detzer said the ship wasn't there because Lincoln had confused the names. I'd always heard that it was Sumner who fouled up the orders.

5/11/2008 9:38 pm (et) mobile_96: That's what I thought also Ole.

5/11/2008 9:39 pm (et) Susansweet: What do the other books say?

5/11/2008 9:39 pm (et) mobile_96: Lincoln did sign the order without looking too closely, so missed the mistake.

5/11/2008 9:39 pm (et) ole: No I'll have to read another two books to corroborate.

5/11/2008 9:39 pm (et) Susansweet: Shall we go on to next Chapter Ashes and Dust which deals with the ships coming in.

5/11/2008 9:39 pm (et) Susansweet: Or not.

5/11/2008 9:39 pm (et) Susansweet: Comments ?

5/11/2008 9:39 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: I'm trying to remember, ole, but I think I read somewhere that it was Lincoln who sent the ship, although not because he confused the names. I think he had some bad info.

5/11/2008 9:40 pm (et) ole: He ordered a ship sent. My take was that Sumner sent the wrong ship.

5/11/2008 9:42 pm (et) Susansweet: This chapter starts with another funny story about drunk fishermen who had dropped off soldiers at Cummings Point and then can't get back to Charleston without getting fired on.

5/11/2008 9:42 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: I'll bet the two drunk fishermen sobered up real fast when they were fired upon. Bet not all the water in the bottom of that boat was salt water.

5/11/2008 9:42 pm (et) Susansweet: I agree Fan.

5/11/2008 9:43 pm (et) Susansweet: Then the firing starts again and a fire breaks out.

5/11/2008 9:44 pm (et) Susansweet: He describes the start of the second day as two old pugilist pawing at each other.

5/11/2008 9:45 pm (et) Babs: Book I mentioned was: Surviving the Confederacy: Rebellion, Ruin, and Recovery--Roger and Sara Pryor during the Civil War by Mary Seaton Dix.

5/11/2008 9:45 pm (et) Susansweet: Or two tried fighters are the words.

5/11/2008 9:45 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: The elements were on Anderson's side when the fire broke out. Then the rain helped douse the flames.

5/11/2008 9:46 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Thanks for the info on the Pryors, babs

5/11/2008 9:46 pm (et) Babs: And sometimes the roof cisterns were hit too and doused fires.

5/11/2008 9:47 pm (et) Susansweet: But the second day that doesn't help and the fire gets roaring.

5/11/2008 9:47 pm (et) Susansweet: Thanks Babs for title.

5/11/2008 9:47 pm (et) Susansweet: Good thing they moved the powder kegs.

5/11/2008 9:47 pm (et) Babs: Was nerve wracking to read about the gun powder.

5/11/2008 9:48 pm (et) Susansweet: And the shell that hit the door jamming it . Good thing they got some of the powder out before that.

5/11/2008 9:49 pm (et) Susansweet: Now things are really bad. Smoke , Fire , shelling . Can you imagine the hell it was in the fort?

5/11/2008 9:49 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: The book gives one of the best accounts of the conditions inside the fort and of the men inside. Can just imagine being half starved, weak, ill from bad food, tired, and unable to breathe from smoke.

5/11/2008 9:49 pm (et) mobile_96: And the wind blowing the smoke back down on them.

5/11/2008 9:50 pm (et) Susansweet: It had to have been awful.

5/11/2008 9:50 pm (et) Susansweet: And yet they continued on.

5/11/2008 9:50 pm (et) Susansweet: Even Edmund Ruffin was moved as the flames moved above the fort , Detzer says.

5/11/2008 9:50 pm (et) 20thMass: It is one thing to be attacked but not able to maneuver at all most have scary.

5/11/2008 9:51 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Interesting that even the confederates admired and respected the men out at the fort. Four years later at Appomattox the Union troops would salute the defeated southern troops.

5/11/2008 9:51 pm (et) Susansweet: It's that Brothers war thing again.

5/11/2008 9:52 pm (et) Susansweet: Coly that must be horrible not to be able to maneuver.

5/11/2008 9:52 pm (et) Susansweet: Then the final blow! The flag pole.

5/11/2008 9:52 pm (et) Susansweet: Comments anyone ?

5/11/2008 9:53 pm (et) amhistoryguy: Doubleday says, "Had not a slight change of wind taken place, the result might have been fatal to most of us.

5/11/2008 9:53 pm (et) Susansweet: That is scary to think about , Dave.

5/11/2008 9:53 pm (et) amhistoryguy: Speaking of the fires.

5/11/2008 9:53 pm (et) Susansweet: yes?

5/11/2008 9:53 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: And all the while, there sits the fleet of ships unable to do anything in the harbor.

5/11/2008 9:54 pm (et) mobile_96: That black power smoke was very caustic.

5/11/2008 9:54 pm (et) Susansweet: Just sitting on the bar.

5/11/2008 9:55 pm (et) Susansweet: And again we have soldiers doing dangerous but comic in effect things like trying to load a cannon too big for two and having it go backwards in recoil and almost hitting the men coming to aid the man.

5/11/2008 9:56 pm (et) Susansweet: Dave, fire?

5/11/2008 9:56 pm (et) mobile_96: Think they were lucky it didn't recoil into the courtyard.

5/11/2008 9:57 pm (et) Susansweet: I think so too or kill the men coming up the stairs.

5/11/2008 9:57 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: It's a miracle no one was killed during the battle. Two died as a result of the battle, however, which I didn't know. Why aren't they casualties of the battle?

5/11/2008 9:57 pm (et) Susansweet: So now we have the flag shot down and everyone around them are trying to figure out what has happened .

5/11/2008 9:58 pm (et) Susansweet: Hold that thought a minute Fan til we finish this part.

5/11/2008 9:58 pm (et) amhistoryguy: I meant that Doubleday was speaking of the fire when he suggested that many would have died if not for a shift in the wind.

5/11/2008 9:58 pm (et) Susansweet: Might have an answer.

5/11/2008 9:58 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Sorry, didn't realize I was ahead.

5/11/2008 9:58 pm (et) Susansweet: Oh, okay.

5/11/2008 9:59 pm (et) Susansweet: No problem.

5/11/2008 9:59 pm (et) Susansweet: Peter Hart is someone I would like to know more about . He was not suppose to take part in combat but did some amazing things.

5/11/2008 10:00 pm (et) Susansweet: 15 minutes to raise a new flag pole.

5/11/2008 10:01 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Yeah, Hart kept his word not to participate in the battle but yet sounds like a real hero as a support person.

5/11/2008 10:01 pm (et) Susansweet: Now we come to the end of the battle portion and here we have Wigfall. Hello may I come in to your fort?

5/11/2008 10:01 pm (et) Susansweet: Exactly Fan quite a man . Kept his word but helped when needed .

5/11/2008 10:01 pm (et) Babs: When Detzer did his "Artillery for Dummies" bit, did he talk about how they loaded heated ammo without doing themselves in?

5/11/2008 10:01 pm (et) Susansweet: What do you think of Wigfall and his little trip to the fort ?

5/11/2008 10:02 pm (et) Babs: Wigfall was a doofus.

5/11/2008 10:02 pm (et) Susansweet: I think so Babs or I read it somewhere else.

5/11/2008 10:02 pm (et) Susansweet: Good description Babs.

5/11/2008 10:02 pm (et) mobile_96: Believe there was a pad between the powder and the shot, to give them a bit more time to be able to fire it.

5/11/2008 10:03 pm (et) Susansweet: Thanks mobile.

5/11/2008 10:03 pm (et) Babs: Seems like handling the hot ammo at all would have been good trick.

5/11/2008 10:03 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Yes, he did Babs, but I think the men where so tired and weak, they were bound to make a mistake somewhere.

5/11/2008 10:04 pm (et) amhistoryguy: Gunner Daniel Hough and James Edward Galway with four others injured - George Fielding, John Irwin, George Pinchard and James Hayes. Hough killed almost instantly, Galway died in a Charleston hospital.

5/11/2008 10:04 pm (et) Susansweet: Thanks Dave.

5/11/2008 10:04 pm (et) Susansweet: So they are counted.

5/11/2008 10:05 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: So why do history books say no one was killed?

5/11/2008 10:05 pm (et) Susansweet: I kept picturing Wigfall as a Jerry Lewis character out there trying to get a boat then rowing out the the fort and trying to get in.

5/11/2008 10:05 pm (et) Babs: Because it was after the battle.

5/11/2008 10:05 pm (et) amhistoryguy: Probably not as casualties of the Battle, since they were killed after the surrender, but as the first casualties of the war.

5/11/2008 10:05 pm (et) Susansweet: No one was killed during the actual firing on the fort. They were killed at the final salute by their own guns.

5/11/2008 10:06 pm (et) ole: Perhaps because they were killed in an accident after the battle.

5/11/2008 10:06 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: No, Susan, Jerry Lewis was funny, Wigfall is a disaster.

5/11/2008 10:06 pm (et) Susansweet: Thanks Babs and Dave.

5/11/2008 10:06 pm (et) Susansweet: True Fan , just sounded like a Jerry Lewis plot in a very serious moment

5/11/2008 10:06 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: That makes sense, ole. Thanks.

5/11/2008 10:06 pm (et) ole: Detzer makes a point that Hough was the first "soldier" to die from gunfire.

5/11/2008 10:07 pm (et) Susansweet: Right Ole.

5/11/2008 10:07 pm (et) amhistoryguy: I have read that there is some evidence of SC milita casualties and deaths, kept quiet by SC officers. Why, I don't know, but years later some graves seem to indicate this was the case.

5/11/2008 10:08 pm (et) Susansweet: Interesting piece of information. They didn't want to let others know their men had died .

5/11/2008 10:08 pm (et) mobile_96: Or workmen held in the background as Detzer points out.

5/11/2008 10:09 pm (et) Babs: Author mentions that. Say there may have been slaves who dies too.

5/11/2008 10:09 pm (et) amhistoryguy: Cannot remember where I saw that speculation, but at the time I recall it made sense.

5/11/2008 10:09 pm (et) mobile_96: But again, they don't count as they were Not soldiers.

5/11/2008 10:09 pm (et) Susansweet: Hm might have to ask this when we are at Sumter or on the walking tour at muster.

5/11/2008 10:09 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: The book mentioned statistics that were not revealed by the south.

5/11/2008 10:09 pm (et) Susansweet: Right Slaves of course didn't count . Geeze.

5/11/2008 10:10 pm (et) mobile_96: There go their claims that it was the North that covered up facts and not themselves.

5/11/2008 10:10 pm (et) Susansweet: Now we have Wigfall making a truce with Anderson and off Wigfall goes Beareguard as the real emissaries arrive at the fort.

5/11/2008 10:11 pm (et) Susansweet: Can you imagine Anderson's confusion ?

5/11/2008 10:12 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Anderson had received so many mixed messages bu that time, why should he have been surprised, considering who he was dealing with.

5/11/2008 10:12 pm (et) Susansweet: That is so true fan. He must have been shaking his head .

5/11/2008 10:12 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Actually, if I were Anderson, I would have had a hard time believing anything I was told.

 5/11/2008 10:12 pm (et) mobile_96: and old Bory allows Wigfalls conditions hold, more than strange.

5/11/2008 10:13 pm (et) Babs: Now it's like the Marx Brothers.

5/11/2008 10:13 pm (et) Susansweet: That amazed me , that Bory accepted them.

5/11/2008 10:13 pm (et) Susansweet: Or Abbott and Costello , Whose on First ?

5/11/2008 10:13 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: We have several "comedy" teams in this book.

5/11/2008 10:13 pm (et) Susansweet: and we have a thirsty Pryor

5/11/2008 10:13 pm (et) Babs: I don't know. Third Base.

5/11/2008 10:14 pm (et) Susansweet: How to stumble into a war ?

5/11/2008 10:14 pm (et) Susansweet: I don't know.

5/11/2008 10:14 pm (et) mobile_96: Would have been funny It the whole situation wasn't so tragic.

5/11/2008 10:14 pm (et) Susansweet: Exactly.

5/11/2008 10:15 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: If I were Anderson, I'd have been so fed up with the whole mess, I would have wanted to swim out to the fleet just to be rid of those people.

5/11/2008 10:15 pm (et) Susansweet: I think Detzer plays the humor just right between the tragedy .

5/11/2008 10:15 pm (et) Susansweet: LOL good one Fan. I 'm out of here and he starts swimming .

5/11/2008 10:16 pm (et) Susansweet: So after two days of shelling they are right back to where they started before and Anderson fires the final salute .

5/11/2008 10:17 pm (et) Babs: With Beauregard counting the shots.

5/11/2008 10:17 pm (et) Susansweet: Right.

5/11/2008 10:18 pm (et) Susansweet: And then we have the cannon blowing up and a death in the fort.

5/11/2008 10:18 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Yes, I think Detzer does a wonderful job relating how tragic and hopeless the situation was, but, just like in our own lives, we find humor in the midst of tragedy.

5/11/2008 10:18 pm (et) Susansweet: After the surrendering of the fort that Anderson did not call a surrender.

5/11/2008 10:19 pm (et) mobile_96: Which causes their transport ship to be delayed after hanging up on the sand bar.

5/11/2008 10:19 pm (et) Susansweet: Good thought , I think he did . Dave Ole, Mobile or Babs any thioughts ?

5/11/2008 10:19 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: I'll bet Wiggy was counting the shots too.

5/11/2008 10:19 pm (et) mobile_96: Again, Bory agreeing with the non-surrender.

5/11/2008 10:19 pm (et) Susansweet: Right Mobile, another comedy of errors.

5/11/2008 10:20 pm (et) amhistoryguy: More than anything, IMO, the whole Sumter thing set a tone for the next 3 or even 4 years.

5/11/2008 10:20 pm (et) Susansweet: Any comments on the postscript ? Mystic Chords of Memory?

5/11/2008 10:21 pm (et) Babs: The ordeal seems to have aged Anderson and sapped his spirit.

5/11/2008 10:21 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Well, our Mr. Wigfall, for all his bravado and bluster, ends up fleeing to England. Now there's a real man.

5/11/2008 10:21 pm (et) Susansweet: I can imagine it must have done that for sure.

5/11/2008 10:22 pm (et) mobile_96: I found it interesting that of the Sumter officers, the ones that died, didn't die from the War itself, but other causes.

5/11/2008 10:22 pm (et) Susansweet: But he also does a job for Joseph Johnston before he leaves.

5/11/2008 10:23 pm (et) Susansweet: The description of the return is very moving.

5/11/2008 10:23 pm (et) Susansweet: Any other comments on the book?

5/11/2008 10:24 pm (et) Susansweet: Ole thanks so much for suggesting it .

5/11/2008 10:24 pm (et) mobile_96: I know that Anderson was scared to death that he would be branded a traitor, but found himself a Hero.

5/11/2008 10:24 pm (et) Babs: It was a good one.

5/11/2008 10:25 pm (et) Susansweet: Can you imagine not knowing that ?

5/11/2008 10:25 pm (et) mobile_96: But you know that he was completely relieved that he was out of that fort

5/11/2008 10:25 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: The last sentence was a shocker.

5/11/2008 10:25 pm (et) Susansweet: That sentence did grab me Fan.

5/11/2008 10:26 pm (et) amhistoryguy: This is a book on Sumter that I would, and have, suggested to others. Very worthwhile.

5/11/2008 10:26 pm (et) Susansweet: Anyone one else have a final comment?

5/11/2008 10:26 pm (et) Susansweet: I would too and will.

5/11/2008 10:26 pm (et) Susansweet: Are the other two as good too Ole?

5/11/2008 10:26 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: I have a waiting list for my book. What's next?

5/11/2008 10:27 pm (et) Babs: What shall we read after muster?

5/11/2008 10:27 pm (et) 20thMass: Susan you did a terrific job at moderating tonight.

5/11/2008 10:27 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: When (and what) is muster.

5/11/2008 10:27 pm (et) Susansweet: Steve was talking about reading the new book coming out by JD and Eric and friend , and Coly had mentioned the book on the Harvard Boys . Both sound outstanding

5/11/2008 10:27 pm (et) ole: Yes. They are.

5/11/2008 10:27 pm (et) Susansweet: Thanks Coly.

5/11/2008 10:27 pm (et) Babs: Yes, thank you. One more time and the job is yours.

5/11/2008 10:28 pm (et) Susansweet: Muster is a get together each year to visit a battlefield.  This year is Charleston.

5/11/2008 10:28 pm (et) amhistoryguy: Great job Susan !!

5/11/2008 10:28 pm (et) mobile_96: Retreat from Gettysburg, talked to Eric about that book last weekend.

5/11/2008 10:28 pm (et) Susansweet: NOOOOOOOO I sweated bullets this after noon while doing my laundry sitting in the car making notes and questions .

5/11/2008 10:28 pm (et) ole: Rather read Eric's and JD's book.

5/11/2008 10:28 pm (et) Susansweet: Thanks Mobile.

5/11/2008 10:29 pm (et) mobile_96: Babs, I have Surviving the Confederacy, but its by Waugh, not Dix.

5/11/2008 10:29 pm (et) Susansweet: I would like to read Eric and JD's first then the Harvard one about Fredericksburg. Ran into some of the streetfighting in Cushing of Gettysburg.

5/11/2008 10:30 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Who all goes to muster? Is it this group or part of another group? Susan, thanks for a wonderful job.

5/11/2008 10:30 pm (et) Susansweet: This ends the Book chat for May 11, on Allegiance.

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