Book Chat
"Class of 1846:
From West Point to Appomattox"
By
John C. Waugh

This chat took place in the Civil War Home Chatroom on 03/01/09 and covered "Shots in the Night" thru  "Death of the Enthusiastic Fanatic".

3/8/2009 9:04 pm (et) Susansweet: Welcome to the Sunday,March 8 book chat of "The Class of 1846: From West Point to Appomattox : Stonewall Jackson, George McClellan and Their Brothers" by John C. Waugh

3/8/2009 9:04 pm (et) Susansweet: Please do not use pms during the chat.

3/8/2009 9:04 pm (et) Susansweet: First chapter tonight is Shots in the Night .. . . Things had been going well for Stonewall until Jackson is told Hooker's Army is on the move and Jackson's luck will change . Any comments .. .

3/8/2009 9:05 pm (et) Pvt Miles: Why Hooker gave up the initiative, after deftly maneuvering into position is inexplicable to me.

3/8/2009 9:06 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: This was just a sad read this week.

3/8/2009 9:06 pm (et) Susansweet: I was in tears though most of it .

3/8/2009 9:06 pm (et) bluelady: I think Hooker gave a self evaluation on that..He just lost confidence in himself.

3/8/2009 9:06 pm (et) Widow: Miles, remember, he got clobbered by the concussion of a nearby shell. He lost his nerve, far as I can tell.

3/8/2009 9:06 pm (et) bluelady: It was a sad read since I knew the outcome..

3/8/2009 9:07 pm (et) Susansweet: We all do of course.

3/8/2009 9:07 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Don't remember Hooker being hit.

3/8/2009 9:07 pm (et) Babs: He got hit on the head by a porch pillar. I blamed Couch for not taking command, but that was another book we read.

3/8/2009 9:07 pm (et) Widow: Jackson was in fine form, proposing his flank maneuver. I liked Waugh's comment that Lee knew Hooker better than Hooker understood Lee.

3/8/2009 9:07 pm (et) Susansweet: I love the comment on page 417 about "The idea of a flanking movement of their own promptly surface: that was the way these men thought.

3/8/2009 9:08 pm (et) bluelady: He was hit by a piece of the porch when a shell hit it.

3/8/2009 9:08 pm (et) Pvt Miles: I believe he stopped before the shell incident.

3/8/2009 9:09 pm (et) bluelady: Lee's army was at its best when it was flanking and hitting quickly.

3/8/2009 9:09 pm (et) Widow: Yet Hooker's plan was excellent. He had the men, he moved fast, then, screech.

3/8/2009 9:09 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: I love the whole flanking movement maneuver. This is absolutely my favorite battle.

3/8/2009 9:09 pm (et) bluelady: There was on problem with Jackson's assault...it started too late in the day.

3/8/2009 9:10 pm (et) Widow: With Sedgwick pinning Lee in Fredericksburg, Hooker had an excellent chance.

3/8/2009 9:10 pm (et) Susansweet: Right

3/8/2009 9:10 pm (et) bluelady: I wonder if he really knew how far he had to march that day.

3/8/2009 9:10 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Hooker's mistake was thinking Lee was retreating even when he was receiving reports that may have been to the contrary.

3/8/2009 9:11 pm (et) Widow: Blue, I think Stonewall had local guides. Distance and time didn't matter to him anyway.

3/8/2009 9:11 pm (et) Susansweet: Right , as Waugh says retreating in the face of the finest army on the planet . Is Hooker related to Mac?

3/8/2009 9:11 pm (et) bluelady: He had one guide and that was to show an alternate route.

3/8/2009 9:11 pm (et) Widow: :=))

3/8/2009 9:12 pm (et) bluelady: lol maybe.

3/8/2009 9:12 pm (et) Widow: Blue, one was all Jackson needed, down around Catherine Furnace.

3/8/2009 9:12 pm (et) Babs: I was glad to see that Waugh gave credit to the local Jack Haydon. I really believe Jackson could not have found his way without him.

3/8/2009 9:12 pm (et) Susansweet: And that guides leaves him at one point wishing him well.

3/8/2009 9:12 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Waugh said Jackson hated to see the sun go down. He would have had to have a guide to find that road. I believe I read in another book that they had to find a local person to lead them.

3/8/2009 9:12 pm (et) Susansweet: I couldn't when I was wandering around Catherine's Furnace.

3/8/2009 9:13 pm (et) bluelady: But anyway, Jackson took with him the best marchers in his corp...that was the men of A P Hill and his "own" brigade.

3/8/2009 9:13 pm (et) Widow: If I'd been Jackson's guide, I would've skedaddled too. Lotsa shootin' goin' on.

3/8/2009 9:14 pm (et) Susansweet: The description of them surging into the wilderness is amazing.

3/8/2009 9:14 pm (et) cwbksell: Thanks Sue. I thought I would try to catch up on all they everyone was saying.

3/8/2009 9:14 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: We did have a guide around Catherine's Furnace - the tape tour.

3/8/2009 9:14 pm (et) Widow: The Wilderness is still just as wild today as it was then. In the dark? Nosirree!

3/8/2009 9:14 pm (et) Susansweet: Gudie did not skedaddle he was dismissed after he had finished his job.

3/8/2009 9:14 pm (et) bluelady: And I am amazed that with all the difficulty Jackson and Hill were having with each other at the time...the march really went off farely well. A bit later start than I think Jackson wanted though.

3/8/2009 9:15 pm (et) Susansweet: The quote about the Union soldiers hastily canceled dinner plans and joined the wild life.

3/8/2009 9:15 pm (et) Susansweet: I love the way Waugh writes.

3/8/2009 9:15 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Wish Old Jack had listened one more time to the guide and taken care of himself.

3/8/2009 9:16 pm (et) bluelady: At this point we have to think that things would have been different for the 11th corp if Stoneman wasn't sent on his raid.

3/8/2009 9:16 pm (et) Susansweet: I think Hill and Jackson had their problems but Jackson needed him and Hill knew that.

3/8/2009 9:16 pm (et) Babs: The poor 11th Corps took a lot of abuse for that rout, but I don't think anyone could have done much being taken by surprise like that.

3/8/2009 9:17 pm (et) Susansweet: Nope that's true, they were caught totally by surprise.

3/8/2009 9:17 pm (et) Pvt Miles: Babs I agree.

3/8/2009 9:17 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: You had to laugh reading Waugh's description of the attack.

3/8/2009 9:17 pm (et) Susansweet: Martin though sets up his horse artillery though and slows things down.

3/8/2009 9:17 pm (et) Widow: Poor command decisions, no pickets, no nothing. What were they thinking? I'm safe here in Virginia with Joe Hooker?

3/8/2009 9:17 pm (et) bluelady: So did Jackson...knew he needed Hill that is.

3/8/2009 9:18 pm (et) Susansweet: I was laughing at the wholes start of the battle didn't know I would soon be crying.

3/8/2009 9:18 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: LOL Widow.

3/8/2009 9:18 pm (et) Susansweet: Right .

3/8/2009 9:18 pm (et) Susansweet: They needed each other.

3/8/2009 9:18 pm (et) bluelady: You have to get an idea of what the wilderness looked like at the time...it is no wonder those fresh troops got antsy hearing all those horses in their front.

3/8/2009 9:18 pm (et) Widow: Susan, but they didn't have to like each other.

3/8/2009 9:19 pm (et) Susansweet: Can you imagine the Confederates coming out of the woods after this long chase and all of a sudden being hit by canister ?

3/8/2009 9:19 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Jackson had a wonderful way of compartmentalizing - putting all else aside when there was a mission to accomplish.

3/8/2009 9:19 pm (et) bluelady: Tunnel vision.

3/8/2009 9:19 pm (et) cwbksell: Jackson thought everyone should think like he did. You might have noticed later in the book (this weeks assignment) where Henry Kyd Douglas complained to Jackson that he had been in the war almost two years and never had a day off. Jackson replied "I hope you can say that at the end of the war."

3/8/2009 9:19 pm (et) Susansweet: Fan he did that . He may have arrested everyone but he knew when he needed them.

3/8/2009 9:20 pm (et) Susansweet: Bob I loved that quote too.

3/8/2009 9:20 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: I took note of that when I read it, cw.

3/8/2009 9:20 pm (et) bluelady: cwbksell..that is very true.

3/8/2009 9:20 pm (et) bluelady: To Jackson Duty came first. Period

3/8/2009 9:20 pm (et) Widow: I liked it too, that Jackson completely missed Douglas' point.

3/8/2009 9:21 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Don't think I would have liked living with the guy, though.

3/8/2009 9:21 pm (et) bluelady: I don't think he missed the point.. I think he was getting Douglass to think another way.

3/8/2009 9:21 pm (et) Widow: Folks, I gotta confess: I don't have much use for Ol' Jack.

3/8/2009 9:22 pm (et) cwbksell: Both Jackson and Lee were experts at thinking "out of the box"? They could think like their opponents and thus know what they would do. While Hooker could not think out of the box and when on what he thought they would do.

3/8/2009 9:22 pm (et) Susansweet: Oh I am sure he knew what Douglass was saying.

3/8/2009 9:22 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Blasphemy!!

3/8/2009 9:22 pm (et) bluelady: Jackson was too rigid...everything was black and white no possibility for a middle road. It was the one thing that made him a very bad teacher.

3/8/2009 9:22 pm (et) Widow: At times he was superb. But he had so many shortcomings.

3/8/2009 9:22 pm (et) Susansweet: Good statement Bob.

3/8/2009 9:23 pm (et) Susansweet: Right Blue but he sure did well in battle.

3/8/2009 9:23 pm (et) Susansweet: Now we are in the evening and Jackson is in front of the Plank road.

3/8/2009 9:23 pm (et) Widow: His failure to keep his subordinates informed strikes me as Jackson's worst fault. And, I believe, led more or less directly to that friendly fire.

3/8/2009 9:23 pm (et) Susansweet: Saying the danger is over.

3/8/2009 9:24 pm (et) bluelady: It would be hard to have to act on your own if you were a commander under Jackson...Just ask Garnett.

3/8/2009 9:24 pm (et) Susansweet: Little did he know.

3/8/2009 9:24 pm (et) Susansweet: It is amazing how a good writer can keep you in supense even when you know what is coming up .

3/8/2009 9:24 pm (et) Widow: Privates didn't need to know where they were going, but generals did.

3/8/2009 9:24 pm (et) bluelady: Not at this time...Hill knew where Jackson was and the troops that shot him were Hill's. there wasn't time to inform them that Jackson AND Hill were out in front of them.

3/8/2009 9:25 pm (et) Babs: Waugh does that well.

3/8/2009 9:26 pm (et) Susansweet: I didn't realize that little Sorrel had run off too. The details are wonderful in this section.

3/8/2009 9:26 pm (et) Widow: Can you imagine how hard it must have been to find the doctor, to report to Lee, etc., in the dark and excitement - with the Yankees shooting? Scary!

3/8/2009 9:26 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Susan, I agree, Waugh keeps one in suspense. The union and confederate lines seem to have been a little blurred at that point. Not sure who was where.

3/8/2009 9:27 pm (et) bluelady: I had the opportunity to follow part of the Jackson Ambulance trail. The roads are in bad shape now. Imagine what they were like back then.

3/8/2009 9:27 pm (et) Susansweet: Right , everyone is running scared now. When the troops are asked to cese fire they still fire.

3/8/2009 9:27 pm (et) bluelady: The KoA campground I stayed at is near Guinea Station and the road was part of the trail.

3/8/2009 9:27 pm (et) Susansweet: I was amazed at the length it was.

3/8/2009 9:28 pm (et) cwbksell: Jackson did not listen to Sandy Pendelton when he told Jackson (422) "this is the wrong place for you."

3/8/2009 9:28 pm (et) Susansweet: Didn't know that Hill's men were hit at about the same time too.

3/8/2009 9:28 pm (et) Widow: Stonewall was in the peak of health when he was shot. He stayed alert despite that major blood loss.

3/8/2009 9:28 pm (et) bluelady: Jackson didn't listen to too many people...maybe save Lee.

3/8/2009 9:28 pm (et) Widow: And God.

3/8/2009 9:28 pm (et) Susansweet: Hill is hit too so now Stuart is in charge.

3/8/2009 9:29 pm (et) Susansweet: And now Jackson is "Walking !!!! back to the line .

3/8/2009 9:29 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Jackson did listen to Lee, and I think there were times when Lee listen to Jackson.

3/8/2009 9:29 pm (et) Widow: Somehow "Jackson to the rear!" doesn't have the same ring as "Lee to the rear!"

3/8/2009 9:30 pm (et) Susansweet: Finally getting litter bearers but then they almost drop him.

3/8/2009 9:30 pm (et) Susansweet: That whole story was so emotional moving him back to the rear.

3/8/2009 9:30 pm (et) Widow: Lee trusted his subordinates, but Jackson didn't.

3/8/2009 9:31 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: You know one new thing I learned in this book was that Jackson had a personal slave with him. I never thought about him as a slave owner, let alone having one with him during battle.

3/8/2009 9:31 pm (et) Susansweet: Lee always had an ear for Jackson.

3/8/2009 9:31 pm (et) Widow: I believe he landed on that bad arm once.

3/8/2009 9:31 pm (et) Susansweet: I think he only had a couple of them.

3/8/2009 9:32 pm (et) Susansweet: Any other comments on this chapter or shall we move on ?

3/8/2009 9:32 pm (et) Susansweet: Last chapter tonight is Death of the Enthusiastic Fanatic.

3/8/2009 9:32 pm (et) Widow: Fan, I was unaware that Jim Lewis was Jackson's slave. Jim was a slave, yes, but maybe he was one of those whose owner let him work for wages.

3/8/2009 9:32 pm (et) Susansweet: I love his titles of chapters.

3/8/2009 9:33 pm (et) cwbksell: They did drop him. The doctors believed that was what may have lead to his death.

3/8/2009 9:33 pm (et) Widow: Susan, Jackson's death was a calamity for the ANV and the cause, but I got tired of the details of the funeral and lying in state, etc.

3/8/2009 9:33 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: The doctors thought him falling off the litter was what caused him pneumonia. Is that possible?

3/8/2009 9:34 pm (et) Susansweet: I was talking to a friend yesterday about medicine and Jackson's death. That over and over again you put wet clothes on people they get cold and it leads to worse and yet they continued to do it.

3/8/2009 9:34 pm (et) Susansweet: Would have weakened him mainly but think the wet cloth and the chill would have been more likely.

3/8/2009 9:34 pm (et) bluelady: Some modern medical experts believe that.

3/8/2009 9:34 pm (et) Babs: Fan, It damaged his lung, probably making him more susceptible to pneumonia.

3/8/2009 9:34 pm (et) Susansweet: Believe what blue?

3/8/2009 9:34 pm (et) Susansweet: Got lost.

3/8/2009 9:35 pm (et) Susansweet: Got it now.

3/8/2009 9:35 pm (et) Widow: Shock is any stress to the system, includes low blood pressure, racing pulse, shallow breathing, all to keep the blood flowing to the brain. Everything else takes second place.

3/8/2009 9:35 pm (et) bluelady: Jackson may actually have died from some intra-abdominal pathology.

3/8/2009 9:35 pm (et) cwbksell: Waugh mentions Jackson's slave Lewis earlier when the discussion is about no one knowing what Jackson plans to do. When Lewis noticed Jackson praying into the wee hours of the night, that he should begin packing for a big move early the next morning.

3/8/2009 9:35 pm (et) Susansweet: He was doing so well for such a period of time . Sitting up talking to his daughter.

3/8/2009 9:36 pm (et) Widow: Babs, isn't pneumonia when the lungs fill with fluid?

3/8/2009 9:36 pm (et) Susansweet: Playing with her on the bed.

3/8/2009 9:36 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Responding to widow, I also thought the funeral details were a bit long, but I think Waugh was trying to stress the effect his death had on the Confederacy.

3/8/2009 9:36 pm (et) cwbksell: You are right Widow.

3/8/2009 9:36 pm (et) bluelady: Gall bladder, duodenum, pancreas and physiology of renal dysfunction associated with trauma) or possibly a blood clot to the lung.

3/8/2009 9:37 pm (et) Susansweet: Fan I had not known they had done such an elaborate funeral . I was comparing it to Lincolns soon enough to come.

3/8/2009 9:37 pm (et) Pvt Miles: Agree, possibly could have sustained a hemorrhage in his chest cavity.

3/8/2009 9:37 pm (et) cwbksell: I believe Jackson's funeral was second only to Lincoln's two years later.

3/8/2009 9:37 pm (et) Susansweet: Wow Dr. Blue good presentation there.

3/8/2009 9:37 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Right, cw, Lewis is mentioned earlier in the book. This is the first book I found him mentioned, however.

3/8/2009 9:38 pm (et) bluelady: Well Jackson was the 1st of their great heroes that was killed in the east at is. I bet if AS Johnston was killed in the east they would have done the same for him.

3/8/2009 9:38 pm (et) Widow: I think Jackson would have been embarrassed by all the hoopla.

3/8/2009 9:38 pm (et) Babs: It had a huge effect on the morale of the South. Read of it in Mary Chestnut's writing and in the book we read here about Lee's wife.

3/8/2009 9:38 pm (et) bluelady: I remembered hearing that in our presentation at Guniea Station by Frank O Reilly.

3/8/2009 9:39 pm (et) Susansweet: II thought it was moving after reading about Ewell and Jackson that he now admired him and grieved for him.

3/8/2009 9:39 pm (et) bluelady: And to have Garnett as a pall bearer.

3/8/2009 9:39 pm (et) Widow: Funny how one's feelings change like that. The Crazy Presbyterian.

3/8/2009 9:40 pm (et) Susansweet: Right He may have arrested them but they rallied to him.

3/8/2009 9:40 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: I'll bet when the people saw Little Sorrel go by in the funeral procession, they said "Where's his real horse?"

3/8/2009 9:40 pm (et) Susansweet: Didn't know he was wrapped in the first new Confederate flag either.

3/8/2009 9:40 pm (et) Widow: Fan, :=))

3/8/2009 9:41 pm (et) Susansweet: I have been to both his graves in Lexington. I wonder how he feels about not being in his own grave.

3/8/2009 9:41 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: No, the flag was new to me too.

3/8/2009 9:41 pm (et) bluelady: No the people knew Little Sorrell.

3/8/2009 9:41 pm (et) bluelady: I heard some interesting facts about his arm that was buried on the Lacy farm as well.

3/8/2009 9:41 pm (et) Susansweet: I find it interesting too he identified with Wolfe on the Plains of Abraham.

3/8/2009 9:41 pm (et) Widow: Scruffiest horse in the ANV. Sorta like Jackson's cap.

3/8/2009 9:42 pm (et) bluelady: I think it was the Lacy farm not too far from Chancellorsville.

3/8/2009 9:42 pm (et) cwbksell: I believe the South changed the flag a couple times during the war. The first one they had was mostly white and with no breeze looked like a surrender flag (all white).

3/8/2009 9:43 pm (et) Susansweet: First was stars and bars then the stainless banner then the 3rd National Confederate flag.

3/8/2009 9:43 pm (et) Susansweet: The arm is still there too.

3/8/2009 9:43 pm (et) Widow: You're right, CWB. They never got a really good flag design, just informally stayed with the St. Andrew's Cross.

3/8/2009 9:43 pm (et) Susansweet: This was a fast discussion as it was on one incident mostly .

3/8/2009 9:44 pm (et) Susansweet: Battle flag was not the national flag.

3/8/2009 9:44 pm (et) Susansweet: Next week we will meet Pickett and finish the book.

3/8/2009 9:44 pm (et) Susansweet: Next week's assignment is to finish the book Page 356 The Dandy at the Foot of the Class though page 532 the Epilogue.

3/8/2009 9:44 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Jackson was himself right to the end, happy to die on a Sabbath.

3/8/2009 9:44 pm (et) Susansweet: Any other discussion on either chapter or anything else ?

3/8/2009 9:45 pm (et) bluelady: Uh not really...on our tour. the curator said that they were trying to get it to put it in a container less likely to be robbed and there was nothing left of the arm...since it was buried near limestone and not in a container..it became dust

3/8/2009 9:45 pm (et) cwbksell: I have not kept track, but what percentage of 1846 grads are dead by this time?

3/8/2009 9:45 pm (et) Susansweet: And to die content as Wolfe did on the Plains of Abraham.

3/8/2009 9:45 pm (et) bluelady: And to give the Glory to God.

3/8/2009 9:45 pm (et) Susansweet: All of them now . lol

3/8/2009 9:45 pm (et) Widow: 100%, this is 2009.

3/8/2009 9:45 pm (et) Susansweet: Sorry bob I couldn't help it.

3/8/2009 9:45 pm (et) cwbksell: What does anyone think of his last statement?

3/8/2009 9:46 pm (et) bluelady: Not sure because the list we are given in the front of the book is not the complete list of the class.

3/8/2009 9:46 pm (et) Susansweet: I don't know , it could mean so many things.

3/8/2009 9:46 pm (et) Susansweet: He was giving orders all along.

3/8/2009 9:46 pm (et) Widow: CWB, it was uncharacteristic of the uberwarrior he was. Like he was relaxing and letting go.

3/8/2009 9:46 pm (et) Babs: I felt bad for his wife who couldn't get to him in a timely manner.

3/8/2009 9:46 pm (et) bluelady: He was ready to go home to his Lord.

3/8/2009 9:47 pm (et) cwbksell: Sorry, I meant at the time of Jackson's death. Not now in 2009.

3/8/2009 9:47 pm (et) Susansweet: A.P. Hill hasn't been killed yet in the book.

3/8/2009 9:47 pm (et) bluelady: babs..thank Stoneman for that.

3/8/2009 9:47 pm (et) Babs: Another classmate.

3/8/2009 9:47 pm (et) Susansweet: Right it was Stoneman that held up the trains

3/8/2009 9:47 pm (et) Widow: Right Susan, Little Powell gets it on April 2, 1865.

3/8/2009 9:48 pm (et) Susansweet: and he was still alive and was after the war as he commanded the Drum Barracks and was governor of California.

3/8/2009 9:48 pm (et) bluelady: I missed it...what did you say the HW is for next week?

3/8/2009 9:48 pm (et) Susansweet: The rest of the book actually

3/8/2009 9:48 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: I liked the story about the soldier who wanted to see Jackson's body and was refused. Said he lost an arm and had the right to see Jackson. Jack trained his men well.

3/8/2009 9:48 pm (et) Widow: Was Stoneman a train robber? :=))

3/8/2009 9:48 pm (et) Susansweet: Next week's assignment is to finish the book Page 356 The Dandy at the Foot of the Class though page 532 the Epilogue.

3/8/2009 9:49 pm (et) Susansweet: It is a little bit longer than usual but this was a little shorter.

3/8/2009 9:49 pm (et) Susansweet: After we finish this we won't start the next book until after Easter.

3/8/2009 9:49 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Reading should go fast. It's hard to put the book down now.

3/8/2009 9:49 pm (et) Susansweet: Steve and I will co moderate

3/8/2009 9:49 pm (et) bluelady: Well I am well ahead in my assigned reading as I already finished it...again

3/8/2009 9:50 pm (et) Widow: OK, maybe being on Daylight Time will help us finish on time.

3/8/2009 9:50 pm (et) Susansweet: I will have a schedule by next week.

3/8/2009 9:50 pm (et) bluelady: have ypou posted the next title in YODB?

3/8/2009 9:50 pm (et) Susansweet: and he thought it was a good idea for the Hill book after muster.

3/8/2009 9:50 pm (et) cwbksell: I have one question. Jackson could not be brought into the Chandler house because it was contaminated with erysipelas. What the heck is that and what does it do to you? I tried to use a dictionary but every time I did the definition of the word was as bad or worst than the one I started with. I ended up looking up a half dozen words because I could not understand the medical words in the definition. Can any of you help? Thanks in advance.

3/8/2009 9:51 pm (et) Widow: Thanks very much, everybody. Susan, a good job as moderator, as usual. See you all next week!

3/8/2009 9:52 pm (et) bluelady: is an acute streptococcus bacterial infection[1] of the dermis.

3/8/2009 9:53 pm (et) Susansweet: Thanks Blue , I wrote it down and forgot to look it up I was at a friends house when I read that part

3/8/2009 9:53 pm (et) Susansweet: Great job all of you .

3/8/2009 9:54 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Thanks again Susan for moderating. This is one of the highlights of my week.

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