Book Chat
"Class of 1846:
From West Point to Appomattox"
John C. Waugh

This chat took place in the Civil War Home Chatroom on 02/08/09 and covered "Our Men at Sumter" thru  "Stonewall's Great Locomotive Heist".

2/8/2009 9:08 pm (et) Susansweet: Welcome to Civil War Chat Room Discussion of The Class of 1846

2/8/2009 9:08 pm (et) Susansweet: February 8, 2009 Chapters Page 183 Our Men at Sumter though Page 241 end of Stonewall's Great Locomotive Heist.

2/8/2009 9:09 pm (et) Susansweet: Please refrain from using the private message during the book discussion. Thanks .

2/8/2009 9:09 pm (et) Susansweet: first chapter tonight, Our Men at Sumter.

2/8/2009 9:09 pm (et) Susansweet: Here we meet up wit Truman Seymour of the class of 46.

2/8/2009 9:10 pm (et) bluelady: I bet Floyd was ticked when he found that he read Anderson all wrong.

2/8/2009 9:10 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: As much as we have read about Ft. Sumter already, I was amazed at the new material in this bok.

2/8/2009 9:10 pm (et) Susansweet: I was hooting out loud at that one

2/8/2009 9:10 pm (et) Susansweet: I know I keep adding more and more to my knowledge of Sumter.

2/8/2009 9:10 pm (et) bluelady: Many West Pointer became quite the artists.

2/8/2009 9:11 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Why did it take 40 years to build the fort?

2/8/2009 9:11 pm (et) Susansweet: Since the drawing class was required they had to be.

2/8/2009 9:11 pm (et) Susansweet: It wasn't done all at one time. It would have been done in starts and stops as needed.

2/8/2009 9:12 pm (et) Susansweet: War threatened they would work on the forts ,peace time the work would stop.

2/8/2009 9:12 pm (et) Babs: Government pace.

2/8/2009 9:12 pm (et) bluelady: When reading about Seymour's artistic ability I could not help but remember Seth Eastman and his paintings of the Indians and Ft Snelling. Eastman was the 1st commander of Elmira.

2/8/2009 9:12 pm (et) mobile_96: Maybe funding, plus the wait for resolving a court case on ownership.

2/8/2009 9:12 pm (et) bluelady: I think funding might have had something to do with it as well.

2/8/2009 9:13 pm (et) Susansweet: Right. In peace time it is hard to get funding.

2/8/2009 9:13 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: True. Look at our roads and bridges.

2/8/2009 9:14 pm (et) Susansweet: Right.

2/8/2009 9:14 pm (et) bluelady: Seems when it came to families, the enlisted had more rights than the officers.

2/8/2009 9:15 pm (et) Susansweet: Explain Blue?

2/8/2009 9:16 pm (et) bluelady: Well it seemed that their wives were allowed to stay in the fort with them but the officer's wives had to stay in town?

2/8/2009 9:16 pm (et) cwbksell: I was surprised that there was so much movement of the women or wives from the fort to the city back and forth.

2/8/2009 9:16 pm (et) bluelady: Or I read that wrong maybe.

2/8/2009 9:16 pm (et) Susansweet: Oh I see .

2/8/2009 9:16 pm (et) Susansweet: No that is the way I read it . I think the wives of the officers wanted better quarters maybe?

2/8/2009 9:17 pm (et) mobile_96: Yea, I didn't quite understand that either.

2/8/2009 9:17 pm (et) bluelady: But then at one point while they wee still at Moultrie the wives took on some guard duty...officer's wives that is.

2/8/2009 9:17 pm (et) Babs: Maybe it was that the officers' wives could afford a place in town.

2/8/2009 9:17 pm (et) Susansweet: They would have been involved in the society of the City before the start of the war.

2/8/2009 9:17 pm (et) bluelady: Well no...they wanted to be with their husbands.

2/8/2009 9:17 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: I'm always amazed at all the traffic to and from the fort.

2/8/2009 9:17 pm (et) mobile_96: Think the officers wanted better quarters for them, the women seemed quite willing to stay at the fort.

2/8/2009 9:17 pm (et) Susansweet: I loved that part , The wives stood duty so their husbands could rest.

2/8/2009 9:17 pm (et) bluelady: Especially when it became clear they would not be reinforced.

2/8/2009 9:18 pm (et) Susansweet: I was amazed at that too Fan.

2/8/2009 9:18 pm (et) Susansweet: And in those days it was rowing in and out .

2/8/2009 9:18 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: t think I knew that Anderson's father had once been imprisoned at Moultrie.

2/8/2009 9:18 pm (et) Susansweet: It takes a half hour or more now by boat.

2/8/2009 9:18 pm (et) mobile_96: LF, surprised a bridge wasn't built to the fort by the time it was fired on.

2/8/2009 9:18 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: I don't think I knew.........

2/8/2009 9:18 pm (et) bluelady: LOL mobile.

2/8/2009 9:19 pm (et) Susansweet: Yes his father was one of the defenders of Fort Moultrie.

2/8/2009 9:19 pm (et) bluelady: Imagine by row boat and 2 times in one evening.

2/8/2009 9:19 pm (et) Susansweet: LOL Mobile too far to build a bridge.

2/8/2009 9:19 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Would have had to be quite a large bridge for that time.

2/8/2009 9:19 pm (et) Susansweet: And the shipping lanes would have been blocked.

2/8/2009 9:19 pm (et) Susansweet: I was tired just reading that about that much rowing.

2/8/2009 9:20 pm (et) mobile_96: Pontoon bridge.

2/8/2009 9:20 pm (et) bluelady: LOL,  I think James Chestnut was tired of all that rowing!

2/8/2009 9:20 pm (et) Susansweet: When they were at Moultrie they had to take a boat to get their from Charleston.

2/8/2009 9:20 pm (et) Susansweet: No Ravenal Bridge yet.

2/8/2009 9:21 pm (et) mobile_96: Anyway, just how many women and children were at the fort, ORs claim 20, while I've seen 43 in other places.

2/8/2009 9:21 pm (et) bluelady: Maybe it was faster by boat than over land from Moultrie to Charleston.

2/8/2009 9:21 pm (et) cwbksell: A canoe would have been easier than a row boat.

2/8/2009 9:21 pm (et) Susansweet: They had to take boat as the Asby River is between Charleston and Sullivan Island.

2/8/2009 9:22 pm (et) bluelady: Ah ok.

2/8/2009 9:22 pm (et) mobile_96: believe your right Blue, considering everyones fears of Moultrie being overrun, even by just a cow

2/8/2009 9:22 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: How about the Charleston militia taking a nap while Anderson moved the troops to Sumter.

2/8/2009 9:22 pm (et) mobile_96: That was a really shrewd move by Anderson.

2/8/2009 9:23 pm (et) Susansweet: I loved Foster's comment about the defense of Sumter and Castel Pinckney after the Secretary of War send a message.

2/8/2009 9:23 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Also on that trip to Sumter, the guide boat that stopped them was named for Anderson's father-in-law. How ironic.

2/8/2009 9:23 pm (et) Susansweet: The Defense now can only extend to keeping the gates closed and shuttered fastened and must cease when these are forced.

2/8/2009 9:23 pm (et) Susansweet: That was ironic.

2/8/2009 9:23 pm (et) bluelady: Well he did do that at night and boy was Floyd peeved until he realized that according to his unintended instruction Anderson had every right to do that.

2/8/2009 9:24 pm (et) Susansweet: Anderson followed the letter of every order.

2/8/2009 9:24 pm (et) Susansweet: Shall we move on to the next chapter ?

2/8/2009 9:24 pm (et) Pvt Miles: Anderson's wife was one person who was able to provide reinforcements, in the person of Peter Hart.

2/8/2009 9:25 pm (et) Susansweet: Next chapter, Waiting for the Ball to Begin.

2/8/2009 9:25 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Wasn't that a wonderful story about Hart? What loyalty!

2/8/2009 9:25 pm (et) bluelady: You would have thought that by his deliberate actions Buchanan would have fired Floyd on the spot..even if he was sympathetic to the southern cause.

2/8/2009 9:25 pm (et) bluelady: Absolutely LF.

2/8/2009 9:25 pm (et) Susansweet: Buchanan was burned out and now worth much at all at this time.

2/8/2009 9:26 pm (et) Susansweet: Hart is great.

2/8/2009 9:26 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Anderson just wanted out of the whole situation and wanted to go home.

2/8/2009 9:26 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Sorry, I meant Buchanan.

2/8/2009 9:26 pm (et) bluelady: That is true...IIRC he did not live long after he left DC.

2/8/2009 9:26 pm (et) mobile_96: Plus, maybe Floyd's actions weren't exactly known to everyone yet.

2/8/2009 9:26 pm (et) bluelady: I've been to his home in Lancaster before.

2/8/2009 9:27 pm (et) Susansweet: Never been there.

2/8/2009 9:27 pm (et) bluelady: That is true mobile especially since the mail was being confiscated.

2/8/2009 9:27 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Lancaster where?

2/8/2009 9:27 pm (et) Susansweet: Welcome now to the Star of the West

2/8/2009 9:27 pm (et) mobile_96: I don't see Buchanan worth much at anytime in at least the last full year of his term.

2/8/2009 9:27 pm (et) bluelady: Lancaster, PA that is...

2/8/2009 9:28 pm (et) bluelady: But he was born not far from Gettysburg.

2/8/2009 9:28 pm (et) Susansweet: What do you think of all that went on during the shelling from the star of the west?

2/8/2009 9:28 pm (et) bluelady: He was the Dem's last hurrah when he was elected.

2/8/2009 9:29 pm (et) bluelady: They were too far out to be of any help and any move to come closer would have been suicide on their part.

2/8/2009 9:29 pm (et) mobile_96: Anderson was probably right in not firing, He hadn't received the orders sent to him.

2/8/2009 9:29 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: How did they get a steamer in close enough to transfer the wives from the fort? Don't remember the fort notifying anyone in Charleston that the wives were being transferred and I would have thought any boat approaching the fort would have been fired upon.

2/8/2009 9:30 pm (et) mobile_96: Wasn't there an agreement to allow the transfer?

2/8/2009 9:30 pm (et) Susansweet: I think they used the fort's small boats .

2/8/2009 9:30 pm (et) Susansweet: And there might have been an agreement . Seems like we read something about this in Alliegance.

2/8/2009 9:30 pm (et) bluelady: There was an agreement to allow the transfer.

2/8/2009 9:31 pm (et) Susansweet: There were wives still at the fort though when the Star of the West was fired on as one of the wives was fed up with the fort not firing and prepared to fire the cannon herself.

2/8/2009 9:31 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Wonder who wore the pants in that family..

2/8/2009 9:31 pm (et) Susansweet: When told she had a great deal of courage she said I should think, sir , a soldier's wife ought to have courage .

2/8/2009 9:32 pm (et) Susansweet: Doubleday stopped her .

2/8/2009 9:32 pm (et) bluelady: lol

2/8/2009 9:32 pm (et) mobile_96: Agree Blue, saw it mentioned in the OR's when trying to determine how many were actually transferred.

2/8/2009 9:33 pm (et) mobile_96: Class of 46 says 43, while the OR's indicate 20.

2/8/2009 9:33 pm (et) Babs: Doubleday probably had to explain the infield fly rule.

2/8/2009 9:33 pm (et) bluelady: Sounds like the fort and its armament was not the best suited even with it being only half finished. they could not use any of the guns atop.

2/8/2009 9:33 pm (et) Susansweet: Interesting difference Mobile.

2/8/2009 9:33 pm (et) bluelady: boo hiss babs.

2/8/2009 9:33 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Good one, Babs.

2/8/2009 9:34 pm (et) mobile_96: And the lower ones were the weakest of the lot.

2/8/2009 9:34 pm (et) Susansweet: No they were exposed to the fire from the surrounding islands.

2/8/2009 9:34 pm (et) bluelady: Yeah.

2/8/2009 9:34 pm (et) Susansweet: Fort was built with its strongest part again facing the sea , it was never thought that it would be attacked from Charleston or the neighboring islands.

2/8/2009 9:35 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: They got one gun up there, then couldn't use it because they were too exposed..

2/8/2009 9:35 pm (et) bluelady: I basically they were sitting ducks going to Sumter as well. but by being there they lasted a lot longer than they would have if they remained at Moultrie.

2/8/2009 9:35 pm (et) bluelady: Exactly Susan.

2/8/2009 9:36 pm (et) Babs: If they had only had. firewood, food, and needles.

2/8/2009 9:36 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: If they had been at Moultrie, the Charleston militia could have just walked over the top and asked them for the keys.

2/8/2009 9:36 pm (et) AddMandC: And we speak of Fort Sumter. Hi everyone sorry for the late entrance.

2/8/2009 9:36 pm (et) Susansweet: They at least had brick surrounding them and that was one of the difference from Moultrie which was not as safe.

2/8/2009 9:36 pm (et) bluelady: LF they didn't even need to ask for the keys!

2/8/2009 9:37 pm (et) Susansweet: And the island was made of New England granite I loved that on page 206 bottom paragraph.

2/8/2009 9:38 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: At Sumter they were further away from the city, had water surrounding it and could be reinforced easier.

2/8/2009 9:38 pm (et) Pvt Miles: Beauregard arrived and helped to exploit the fort's weakness.

2/8/2009 9:38 pm (et) mobile_96: And the inside of Moultrie was open to sharpshooters inside local houses.

2/8/2009 9:38 pm (et) Susansweet: They thought they could be reinforced but the Star of the West didn't make it.

2/8/2009 9:38 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Yeah, and Beauregard learned all he knew from Anderson.

2/8/2009 9:39 pm (et) Susansweet: And Beauregard had learned artillery from Anderson at West Point.

2/8/2009 9:39 pm (et) Susansweet: Beat me to it Fan.

2/8/2009 9:39 pm (et) bluelady: PTG did a great job defending the harbor. It was not until the end of the war that Charleston was finally taken.

2/8/2009 9:39 pm (et) Susansweet: Poor Anderson is still advised to only act on the defensive.

2/8/2009 9:40 pm (et) Susansweet: There were by this time batteries all around Sumter except of course out at sea.

2/8/2009 9:40 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Anderson's orders had come from Floyd, didn't they? Wonder how much Lincoln really knew about their situation.

2/8/2009 9:40 pm (et) mobile_96: No.   Beauregard had been the chief engineer for Sumter.

2/8/2009 9:41 pm (et) cwbksell: But Anderson didn't even want to defend. He would rather there was to be no war.

2/8/2009 9:41 pm (et) bluelady: So finally he fired in the defensive...I don't think he could have gone on the offence if he wanted to by this time.

2/8/2009 9:41 pm (et) AddMandC: Susan,  Yes there were batteries completely surrounding the area.

2/8/2009 9:41 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: That's correct, Mobile. I forgot that. Another reason he was the perfect person for the job.

2/8/2009 9:42 pm (et) mobile_96: Yes, on learning artillery, you're right, but on understanding Sumter's strengths and weaknesses, he was chief engineer, so your also correct.

2/8/2009 9:42 pm (et) Susansweet: I have a map that shows where every battery was .

2/8/2009 9:42 pm (et) AddMandC: Morris island, Castle Pinckney, The downtown battery, and several floating batteries.

2/8/2009 9:42 pm (et) cwbksell: page 209 Anderson says "Would to God that the time had come when there should be no more war."

2/8/2009 9:42 pm (et) Susansweet: Got it when I was at Patriot's Point last summer.

2/8/2009 9:42 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Ahhhh, maps.

2/8/2009 9:42 pm (et) Susansweet: And all the batteries on Johnston island and Morris Island.

2/8/2009 9:43 pm (et) Susansweet: Plus as you say the floating batteries.

2/8/2009 9:43 pm (et) Susansweet: Love maps.

2/8/2009 9:43 pm (et) bluelady: This is another place a map would have been good for this book

2/8/2009 9:43 pm (et) mobile_96: Saw the diagrams in the OR's this AM, Anderson never had a chance in a shooting war.

2/8/2009 9:44 pm (et) Babs: I tried not to mention maps this week, but hear my wheel squeak.

2/8/2009 9:44 pm (et) Susansweet: Which is why I pulled mine out Blue.

2/8/2009 9:44 pm (et) bluelady: But I think they didn't because this is a story about people NOT the places they were.

2/8/2009 9:44 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: And at the end of the chapter, we're reintroduced to our friend, Mr. Wigfall.

2/8/2009 9:44 pm (et) AddMandC: Castle Pinckney still has the columbiads in place!

2/8/2009 9:45 pm (et) bluelady: In their defense BUT...the places they were tell their story and you need to have that picture of where they were hence Babs...continue to squeak!!!\

2/8/2009 9:45 pm (et) Susansweet: Wigfall is the next chapter shall we continue on The First Shot.

2/8/2009 9:45 pm (et) Babs: Wigfall comes off better in this book than he did in Alliegence.

2/8/2009 9:45 pm (et) Susansweet: Castle Pinckney which I am dying to get on .

2/8/2009 9:45 pm (et) bluelady: The man you love to hate..

2/8/2009 9:45 pm (et) Susansweet: But he still is bumbling.

2/8/2009 9:46 pm (et) Susansweet: By the way I asked this January about the embrasure he came though. It is 30 feet down under sand now.

2/8/2009 9:46 pm (et) Pvt Miles: Wigfall, ..a Carolinian by birth, a Nullifer by training and a duelist by vocation.

2/8/2009 9:46 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Been to Sumter but so sorry I didn't see Pinkney and surroundings.

2/8/2009 9:47 pm (et) Susansweet: You can't get on the island Fan.

2/8/2009 9:47 pm (et) bluelady: A perfect hot iron for this situation.

2/8/2009 9:47 pm (et) Susansweet: Not allowed but you see it on the boat to Sumter.

2/8/2009 9:47 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Miles, you beat me to it - my favorite quote of the chapter!

2/8/2009 9:47 pm (et) Susansweet: I take tons of pictures of it.

2/8/2009 9:48 pm (et) Susansweet: No my favorite is What is all this uproad about ?

2/8/2009 9:48 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Hope to see them someday, Susan.

2/8/2009 9:48 pm (et) bluelady: What aren't you allowed to go on Susan?

2/8/2009 9:48 pm (et) Susansweet: Doubleday replies There is a trifling difference of opinion between us and our neighbors opposite and we are trying to settle it.

2/8/2009 9:48 pm (et) Susansweet: It isn't safe.

2/8/2009 9:49 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: That's another good one, Susan, but I think the quote about Wigfall plus the hilarious description of him is really funny.

2/8/2009 9:49 pm (et) Susansweet: No place to land a tourist boat and as Add said the columibiads are buried in the sand.

2/8/2009 9:49 pm (et) AddMandC: Susan Morris island is now a wetland.

2/8/2009 9:49 pm (et) Susansweet: Right.

2/8/2009 9:50 pm (et) Susansweet: Some parts of it are, others are rich houses.

2/8/2009 9:50 pm (et) bluelady: Where susan? Morris Island?

2/8/2009 9:50 pm (et) Pvt Miles: I liked that quote by Doubleday....a bit of an understatement..

2/8/2009 9:50 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: I guess that's why they just take you out to Sumter.

2/8/2009 9:50 pm (et) Susansweet: No, on Castle Pinckney.

2/8/2009 9:50 pm (et) bluelady: No place to land a tourist boat where?

2/8/2009 9:50 pm (et) bluelady: ok

2/8/2009 9:50 pm (et) AddMandC: Blue, Morris Island, the infamous Battery Wagner.

2/8/2009 9:50 pm (et) AddMandC: All wetlands now.

2/8/2009 9:50 pm (et) AddMandC: The only thing that have been preserved are Moultrie and Sumter.

2/8/2009 9:51 pm (et) bluelady: That I know Add but where was Castle Pickney again?

2/8/2009 9:51 pm (et) Susansweet: Oops sorry Add.  I was getting Mt Pleasant mixed up with Morris island.

2/8/2009 9:51 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: What's at Moultrie?

2/8/2009 9:51 pm (et) Susansweet: Castle Pinckney is in the middle of Charleston harbor over to the side where Moultrie is.

2/8/2009 9:51 pm (et) bluelady: Ah..that is why I was confused Susan.

2/8/2009 9:51 pm (et) Susansweet: Closest fort to Charleston.

2/8/2009 9:52 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: See why we need a map?

2/8/2009 9:52 pm (et) Susansweet: Moultrie now is a historical site but only a section of it is Civil War.

2/8/2009 9:52 pm (et) Susansweet: Sorry about that Blue.

2/8/2009 9:52 pm (et) bluelady: Amen LF.

2/8/2009 9:52 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Should we move on?

2/8/2009 9:52 pm (et) AddMandC: Castle Pinckney blue. It is a small island in the middle of the mouths of the Cooper and Wando rivers.

2/8/2009 9:53 pm (et) Susansweet: I was explaining the battle to a friend the other night and ended up drawing a map. I have been there so often now I actually know where things are .

2/8/2009 9:53 pm (et) Susansweet: Maps help.

2/8/2009 9:53 pm (et) bluelady: Anyway, this chapter reminds me of turning the rubber band to launch a balsawood plane...and the surrender was the launch.

2/8/2009 9:53 pm (et) Susansweet: Is the Wando one that comes out of Shem Creek?

2/8/2009 9:53 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: And you didn't even take drawing at West Point!

2/8/2009 9:53 pm (et) AddMandC: It is all of about twenty five yards now. Easily accessible by kayak,

2/8/2009 9:53 pm (et) Susansweet: Good description Blue I like that.

2/8/2009 9:54 pm (et) bluelady: :)

2/8/2009 9:54 pm (et) Susansweet: But if you are caught on the island it is a federal offense.

2/8/2009 9:54 pm (et) bluelady: In other words...tension plus!

2/8/2009 9:54 pm (et) bluelady: And the feds do punish more severely.

2/8/2009 9:55 pm (et) Susansweet: Right so I just look at it as we go by.

2/8/2009 9:55 pm (et) Susansweet: Any way back to Fort Sumter and the firing on.

2/8/2009 9:55 pm (et) Susansweet: Wigfall had no right to be there . Again we get one group at the Sally port and him at the embrasure saying the same thing.

2/8/2009 9:55 pm (et) AddMandC: Indeed tensions were flaring!

2/8/2009 9:56 pm (et) Susansweet: I have a question is this the same Stephen Lee as in the Army of the Tennessee later ?

2/8/2009 9:56 pm (et) bluelady: I think Wigfal was trying to get things to go the way he wanted them to but forgot about west point surrender protocol..good the PTG remember it!

2/8/2009 9:57 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Anderson must have thought "These guys are going to take the fort in spite of themselves".

2/8/2009 9:57 pm (et) bluelady: I believe so Susan.

2/8/2009 9:57 pm (et) Susansweet: Exactly Wigfall was out for Wigfall only.

2/8/2009 9:57 pm (et) Susansweet: Fan good statement.

2/8/2009 9:58 pm (et) Susansweet: Here is another good quote , It wasn't will that gave out it was everything else.

2/8/2009 9:58 pm (et) Susansweet: When the Union left the fort was pretty much in ruin so it took a while to make it useable again.

2/8/2009 9:59 pm (et) bluelady: Did the Confederates ever use it?

2/8/2009 9:59 pm (et) Susansweet: Any other comments on this chapter ?

2/8/2009 9:59 pm (et) Susansweet: Yes they occupied it until the surrender of Charleston.

2/8/2009 10:00 pm (et) Susansweet: Used Pinckney too as a prison camp.

2/8/2009 10:00 pm (et) bluelady: With all that fire I am surprised the only death occurred during the salute.

2/8/2009 10:00 pm (et) Susansweet: Stonewall's Great Locomotive Heist

2/8/2009 10:00 pm (et) Susansweet: Shows how good the fort was.

2/8/2009 10:01 pm (et) bluelady: His was in a more grand scale that the general! hehe.

2/8/2009 10:01 pm (et) mobile_96: Used it to prevent the capture of Charleston, Union forces pounded the fort to pieces.

2/8/2009 10:01 pm (et) Susansweet: Now we read about Stonewall and his heist.

2/8/2009 10:01 pm (et) Susansweet: Amazing stuff.

2/8/2009 10:01 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: I think this is a wonderful story which I had never heard and is so like Jackson.

2/8/2009 10:01 pm (et) bluelady: Can you imagine dragging those locomotives across the land on old time macadam roads...what a sight that must have been.

2/8/2009 10:01 pm (et) Susansweet: I had seen a print of a painting hauling the locomotives though a town but never heard the story.

2/8/2009 10:02 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Capture locomotives, need to transfer them elsewhere, but no track. No problem!

2/8/2009 10:02 pm (et) Susansweet: I was amazed reading this chapter and coming right after the Fort Sumter which I think is an amazing story in it;s own right

2/8/2009 10:02 pm (et) bluelady: Jackson used his idiosyncrasies to get the trains running during a certain time frame and then put the squeeze on from there

2/8/2009 10:03 pm (et) Susansweet: What blue said.

2/8/2009 10:03 pm (et) Susansweet: Blocking the trains going and coming until he had them corralled.

2/8/2009 10:03 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: What about the locomotive that broke the road and got stuck in the dirt. Can't believe they got it out.

2/8/2009 10:03 pm (et) Susansweet: What a feat to pull off.

2/8/2009 10:03 pm (et) Susansweet: That and then to haul them over the roads.

2/8/2009 10:04 pm (et) bluelady: But it came to a point where they just left one where it sat until the end of the war.

2/8/2009 10:04 pm (et) Susansweet: He beat the 20 mule teams at one point 40 horse 4 abreast ten deep.

2/8/2009 10:04 pm (et) Pvt Miles: It was certainly a demonstration of Jackson's determination to get things done.

2/8/2009 10:04 pm (et) Babs: Would love to see photos of that operation.

2/8/2009 10:04 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: We sometimes forget how far we've come in 140 years. Look at the muscle it took to move cannon and locomotives and wagons then.

2/8/2009 10:05 pm (et) Susansweet: There is a painting by Kunstler I think.

2/8/2009 10:05 pm (et) mobile_96: And added men to the teams.

2/8/2009 10:05 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Thanks, Susan. I'd love to see the painting.

2/8/2009 10:05 pm (et) bluelady: I think one of the reasons Jackson wanted the Harper's Ferry Command was because it was close to his home and he was not liking what he was seeing politically from Western VA.

2/8/2009 10:06 pm (et) Susansweet: Fan even by the time of the Span Am war they could move heavier equipment but still.

2/8/2009 10:06 pm (et) bluelady: He felt he should have done more to keep that area in the confederacy.

2/8/2009 10:06 pm (et) Susansweet: Good thought Blue.

2/8/2009 10:06 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: I think he wanted the position because he thought he was going to see some action. Turns out he made his own action.

2/8/2009 10:06 pm (et) bluelady: I remember reading that in a bio of Jackson.

2/8/2009 10:06 pm (et) Susansweet: When no action make your own.

2/8/2009 10:06 pm (et) Susansweet: Any other comments ?

2/8/2009 10:07 pm (et) Susansweet: questions ?

2/8/2009 10:07 pm (et) bluelady: That too LF.

2/8/2009 10:07 pm (et) Susansweet: Reading for next week.

2/8/2009 10:07 pm (et) Susansweet: Reading for next week will be The Shirttail Skedaddle page 244 though the end of From Under the Little Faded Cap page 308.

2/8/2009 10:07 pm (et) Susansweet: I love the titles of some of these chapters. They grab me and make me want to read them.

2/8/2009 10:08 pm (et) bluelady: Ok very good. You all have a great week.

2/8/2009 10:08 pm (et) Susansweet: If no other comments this ends the discussion for tonight.

2/8/2009 10:08 pm (et) AddMandC: They are pretty tempting