Book Chat
"Class of 1846:
From West Point to Appomattox"
John C. Waugh

This chat took place in the Civil War Home Chatroom on 02/01/09 and covered  "Indian Country" thru "The Courtship of Miss Nelly".

2/1/2009 9:02 pm (et) Susansweet: Book Chat February 1, 2009

2/1/2009 9:02 pm (et) bluelady: time for school to start! :)

2/1/2009 9:03 pm (et) Susansweet: Indian Country to the end of the Courtship of Miss Nelly

2/1/2009 9:03 pm (et) Susansweet: Reminder to all, Please refrain from using the Private Message mode during the chat. Thanks

2/1/2009 9:04 pm (et) Susansweet: So to begin we move from the Mexican war to the War on the Plains with the Indians

2/1/2009 9:04 pm (et) Susansweet: Any comments on Indian Country ?

2/1/2009 9:04 pm (et) bluelady: No more will they be participating in the perfect war

2/1/2009 9:04 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: The first question I asked myself is how could one protect the country with a fort every 239 miles (I think that's what it averaged out to)

2/1/2009 9:05 pm (et) Susansweet: That's for sure. I though the author started the chapter amazingly with the Pas de deux.

2/1/2009 9:05 pm (et) secret squirrel: Worse than the boarder patrol today.

2/1/2009 9:05 pm (et) bluelady: They couldn't...and they knew it I believe.

2/1/2009 9:05 pm (et) Pvt Miles: Seems like some pretty dreary assignments.

2/1/2009 9:05 pm (et) Susansweet: There just were not enough men in the peacetime army to man that many forts.

2/1/2009 9:05 pm (et) Babs: The country had a big growth spurt and the army couldn't keep up.

2/1/2009 9:06 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: This goes back to the beginning of Allegience when we read about how small the army was.

2/1/2009 9:06 pm (et) bluelady: That must have been some dance macabre for Dominie.

2/1/2009 9:06 pm (et) Susansweet: So many of the west point cadets were retiring from the service to make the big bucks somewhere else.

2/1/2009 9:06 pm (et) Susansweet: I can imagine it was blue.

2/1/2009 9:07 pm (et) bluelady: Babs I think it was the Govt who couldn't keep up. They didn't want to spend the money.

2/1/2009 9:07 pm (et) Susansweet: To think too that the army thought that the soldiers should be infantry too.

2/1/2009 9:07 pm (et) bluelady: They were also disheartened by the slow process of promotion in a peacetime Army.

2/1/2009 9:07 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: The bottom of page 133 describes the Indian as the perfect soldier. The West Pointers never learned Indian battle strategy.

2/1/2009 9:08 pm (et) Susansweet: It would take Jefferson Davis to reform the army when he became Secretary of War.

2/1/2009 9:08 pm (et) Susansweet: I loved that description of the Indian as the perfect soldier.

2/1/2009 9:08 pm (et) Susansweet: Finest light horseman that was ever seen.

2/1/2009 9:09 pm (et) Babs: I am starting to really like this writer.

2/1/2009 9:09 pm (et) bluelady: I think they eventually did learn it but it took the CW to teach that lesson and they carried it over after the war.

2/1/2009 9:09 pm (et) Babs: If we could just introduce him to a mapmaker.

2/1/2009 9:09 pm (et) Susansweet: True , the soldiers after the Civil War were a different breed fighting Indians than before the war.

2/1/2009 9:09 pm (et) Susansweet: lol Babs

2/1/2009 9:10 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Is there any information on Indians that fought in the Civil War and what kind of soldiers they were. Probably cavalry.

2/1/2009 9:10 pm (et) Susansweet: Funny thing when I started reading the part about Stuart's death I knew exactly the spot where he died . It is on old Route 99 in Medford Oregon where I drove by it every time I was in Ashland for Shakespeare.

2/1/2009 9:11 pm (et) Susansweet: There were all kinds of Indians in the Civil War. a good book is Between Two fires.

2/1/2009 9:11 pm (et) Susansweet: I forget the author.

2/1/2009 9:11 pm (et) bluelady: Babs...I think the reason for no maps is because he was telling a story about the men and what they did. Where they did it did not seem important to him...but I agree with you.. I get a better picture of what they did if I can grasp the situation they were in and maps do help there.

2/1/2009 9:11 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Is there a marker?

2/1/2009 9:11 pm (et) Susansweet: One of Grant's aids was a full blood Indian.

2/1/2009 9:11 pm (et) secret squirrel: LF:

2/1/2009 9:11 pm (et) Babs: Aw I knew there was a book about it, but didn't know the title.

2/1/2009 9:11 pm (et) secret squirrel: Right, Rarker Appomattox

2/1/2009 9:11 pm (et) Susansweet: Yep but I never notice it . Did a search and found it on line the other day

2/1/2009 9:12 pm (et) Susansweet: Right Pam.

2/1/2009 9:12 pm (et) Babs: A company of Indians from Michigan were sharpshooters.

2/1/2009 9:12 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Hey, any Civil War author worth his salt knows CW readers need maps.

2/1/2009 9:12 pm (et) Susansweet: Then this is Stand Watie.

2/1/2009 9:12 pm (et) mobile_96: There are also books by Annie H. Abel on Indians.

2/1/2009 9:12 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Thanks SS

2/1/2009 9:12 pm (et) Susansweet: One of the best groups of Sharpshooters too.

2/1/2009 9:13 pm (et) Susansweet: The author does say the longer they fought the Indians the more they became like them when they fought.

2/1/2009 9:13 pm (et) Susansweet: Description of Kirby Smith on Page 135 .

2/1/2009 9:13 pm (et) mobile_96: And Waugh is one of the better authors.

2/1/2009 9:14 pm (et) Susansweet: Not a military uniform on.

2/1/2009 9:14 pm (et) Susansweet: Next book if there are no maps we need to gather some together that we can all use .

2/1/2009 9:14 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Good description, Susan. I love it.

2/1/2009 9:14 pm (et) Susansweet: He sure does write a good story as well as provide the facts.

2/1/2009 9:15 pm (et) bluelady: LF you can read the CW on the western tells about Stan Waite and John Ross both Indian leaders.

2/1/2009 9:15 pm (et) Susansweet: I need to get that book too Blue.

2/1/2009 9:15 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Good idea about the maps and thanks for the info Blue.

2/1/2009 9:16 pm (et) Susansweet: This is also a book by Joseph (?_ Civil War in the West.

2/1/2009 9:16 pm (et) Babs: Good set up at the beginning of the chapter. Then he goes back while I am hanging on to see what happened.

2/1/2009 9:16 pm (et) bluelady: I got that at our Trans Mississippi muster.

2/1/2009 9:16 pm (et) Susansweet: That is were my interest in the Indians in the Civil War started.

2/1/2009 9:16 pm (et) Susansweet: Wasn't that a great set up . What happens next you keep thinking.

2/1/2009 9:17 pm (et) Susansweet: Any more discussion of this short chapter or can we go on to India Rubber Women and Buffalo Men?

2/1/2009 9:17 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: I kept wanting to skip ahead.

2/1/2009 9:18 pm (et) bluelady: Just that they were being educated all over again...they had to throw out almost everything they learned at the Point as far as tactics

2/1/2009 9:18 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: This was a good chapter. Those were some tough women.

2/1/2009 9:19 pm (et) Susansweet: True Blue they were being force to change what they had learned at the Point and in Mexico.

2/1/2009 9:19 pm (et) bluelady: And the Journey Stuarts body took before it came home.

2/1/2009 9:19 pm (et) secret squirrel: Makes me wonder about the Victorian age really.

2/1/2009 9:19 pm (et) Susansweet: The next chapter we meet some of their women . They were tough ladies weren't they.

2/1/2009 9:19 pm (et) Babs: Now I want to read Teresa Viele's memoirs.

2/1/2009 9:19 pm (et) Susansweet: I have read something about Eliza Johnston as one of my friends reenacts her .

2/1/2009 9:19 pm (et) Susansweet: Oh good idea Babs.

2/1/2009 9:20 pm (et) Susansweet: Here we meet the 2nd Cavalry, Jefferson Davis' own.

2/1/2009 9:21 pm (et) mobile_96: Susan, found out how tough when I read a book with selections of women's diaries in the western journeys.

2/1/2009 9:21 pm (et) Babs: With the horses color coded according to company!!!

2/1/2009 9:21 pm (et) bluelady: Finally they could cover more territory.

2/1/2009 9:21 pm (et) Susansweet: I read some of those too Mobile they survived better in the west than the men I read.

2/1/2009 9:21 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Yeah, and wasn't it interesting that each company had a different kind of horse. Wouldn't Jeff Davis have loved that in 1864

2/1/2009 9:21 pm (et) Susansweet: I did love the color coded horse.

2/1/2009 9:21 pm (et) bluelady: But it still didn't help much as long as they fought as they were used to.

2/1/2009 9:22 pm (et) bluelady: I think in 1864 the Rebs were happy to have horses.

2/1/2009 9:22 pm (et) Susansweet: True.

2/1/2009 9:22 pm (et) Susansweet: Any color horse.

2/1/2009 9:23 pm (et) mobile_96: Josephy, Alvin M. THE CIVIL WAR IN THE AMERICAN WEST. New York: Knopf, 1991. Maps, notes, bib, ind, paperback, 448pp. $16.00.

2/1/2009 9:23 pm (et) bluelady: How about hoe Sturgis took over and saved the day from the buffalo stampede.

2/1/2009 9:23 pm (et) Pvt Miles: 2nd Cav. -16 future Civil War Generals!

2/1/2009 9:23 pm (et) Susansweet: Thank you mobile.

2/1/2009 9:24 pm (et) Susansweet: That was amazing how he saved the day. I loved him telling Sedgewick I can do it easier than I can tell it. And he did.

2/1/2009 9:24 pm (et) bluelady: Good thing "Uncle John" let him take control.

2/1/2009 9:24 pm (et) Susansweet: I felt for all of you having to read about the cold cold Christmas they endured on the plains that Christmas.

2/1/2009 9:25 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: This author writes so vividly. The snowstorm, then the buffalo stampede. Makes you feel like you were really there. And, yes, how about all those generals just from the 2nd Cav.

2/1/2009 9:25 pm (et) Susansweet: I also like the quote from Sturgis . Well men I do not understand a word they are saying , haul off and let them have it.

2/1/2009 9:25 pm (et) Babs: The stampede was one of many movie moments in tonight's reading.

2/1/2009 9:26 pm (et) Susansweet: He does have a command of the language .

2/1/2009 9:26 pm (et) bluelady: Exactly.

2/1/2009 9:26 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Susan, reading about the snowstorm here in Ohio, I had sound effects outside my window.

2/1/2009 9:26 pm (et) Susansweet: Waugh not Sturgis.

2/1/2009 9:26 pm (et) Susansweet: Babs I was thinking the same thing, Could see many of those old westerns in the book.

2/1/2009 9:27 pm (et) Susansweet: And all they had was a tent.

2/1/2009 9:27 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Note the Confederacy got most of the generals.

2/1/2009 9:27 pm (et) bluelady: LOL I am feeling the cold of winter here in PA!

2/1/2009 9:27 pm (et) Susansweet: Moving on to The Bloody Saddle?

2/1/2009 9:28 pm (et) Susansweet: Here is where I wish I had had a map. I know the area but not where the forts were.

2/1/2009 9:28 pm (et) bluelady: Susan the next time you go to Shakespeare you will have to look for that marker.

2/1/2009 9:28 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: All I can say about this chapter is why on earth didn't they turn back the same day instead of spending the night when they knew they were outnumbered.

2/1/2009 9:29 pm (et) bluelady: This is the perfect place for a map.

2/1/2009 9:29 pm (et) Susansweet: I was thinking that very thing Blue.

2/1/2009 9:29 pm (et) bluelady: Because before that time these Indians had been peaceful.

2/1/2009 9:29 pm (et) Susansweet: I was planning on taking a picture of the marker if I ever get back up there.

2/1/2009 9:30 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Yeah, but the soldiers knew the indians were angry and were gathering. Anything wrong with looking at the odds here.

2/1/2009 9:30 pm (et) Babs: Why do we never hear about these battles? Only the Little Big Horn. Is it because that battle as so shocking late in the game (1876?)

2/1/2009 9:30 pm (et) Susansweet: Seems like this fighting was about the same time as the Whitmans were killed at their place on the Columbia river.

2/1/2009 9:30 pm (et) bluelady: But the other tribe involved did not help matters at all.

2/1/2009 9:31 pm (et) Susansweet: Babs I think it is the same reason as we don't hear about the Western Theater doesn't get the press as much as the Eastern. No reporters with the soldiers and no telegraph to send back the information.

2/1/2009 9:33 pm (et) Babs: These guys didn't yet have the fame fame of the Civil War either.

2/1/2009 9:33 pm (et) bluelady: This is true LF.  Ok LF on pg 153 I think Waugh attempts to explain in the 5th paragraph...I think if I am reading it right he was going to leave but it ended up being too late.

2/1/2009 9:33 pm (et) Susansweet: Good point.

2/1/2009 9:33 pm (et) mobile_96: Probably find more in regular army accounts or Indian history.

2/1/2009 9:34 pm (et) Susansweet: I have read about many of the Indian Wars , my love of history of the West but don't remember this one.

2/1/2009 9:35 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: I'm reading that Blue and it still doesn't say why they stayed.

2/1/2009 9:36 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Actually it said the Indians were withdrawing, so get the ---- out!

2/1/2009 9:36 pm (et) Susansweet: They needed the rest?

2/1/2009 9:36 pm (et) bluelady: Right.

2/1/2009 9:37 pm (et) Babs: Needed water.

2/1/2009 9:37 pm (et) bluelady: I'm going to try a Google search what was this fight called?

2/1/2009 9:37 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: The other unexplained thing is why the Indians didn't finish them off.

2/1/2009 9:38 pm (et) Susansweet: Palouse River I guess.

2/1/2009 9:38 pm (et) Susansweet: Indians do not attack at night.

2/1/2009 9:39 pm (et) mobile_96: Seems they did this time, at midnight, but soldiers had left already.

2/1/2009 9:39 pm (et) Babs: He referred to it as Steptoe's battle once.

2/1/2009 9:39 pm (et) Pvt Miles: My guess is that they wanted to maintain a show of strength. To retreat would send the opposite message.

2/1/2009 9:40 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Miles, are you talking about the soldiers?

2/1/2009 9:40 pm (et) Pvt Miles: Yes

2/1/2009 9:41 pm (et) bluelady: Getting more hits on Steptoes battle

2/1/2009 9:41 pm (et) Susansweet: Tohotonimme river blue.

2/1/2009 9:41 pm (et) bluelady: But not much.

2/1/2009 9:42 pm (et) bluelady: There is a book that is the journal of OH Taylor

2/1/2009 9:42 pm (et) Susansweet:

2/1/2009 9:42 pm (et) bluelady: How many different times was Taylor buried?

2/1/2009 9:43 pm (et) Babs: Oh man!!! We'll never get everything read!!

2/1/2009 9:43 pm (et) Babs: Three by my count.

2/1/2009 9:43 pm (et) Susansweet: That page has a whole history with pictures.

2/1/2009 9:43 pm (et) Susansweet: He is another one of those that did a bit of traveling after death.

2/1/2009 9:45 pm (et) Susansweet: Despite Steptoe’s intent to advance with an intimidating presence, it does not appear that he felt it would take much force to do so. It appears that he assumed only a few members of the Palouse Tribe would cause trouble and expected the primary tribes in the area he would pass through, the Spokanes and Coeur d’Alenes, to remain on peaceful terms. Subsequent events would illustrate how wrongly he had assessed the situation.

2/1/2009 9:45 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: If the Indians wanted Taylor's body so badly, why didn't they dig him up.

2/1/2009 9:45 pm (et) Susansweet: Father Joseph Joset, S.J., a Roman Catholic Jesuit missionary to the Coeur d’Alenes, correctly detected a wide degree of suspicion and anger among the tribes of the region, and tried to warn Steptoe before he crossed the Snake River, but was turned back because of the apparent danger. Others had personally warned Steptoe, but he nevertheless set out with an inadequately supplied column, at least as munitions were concerned. This was due in part to underestimation of the Indian’s resolve to defend their lands and a desire to improve the mobility of the command.

2/1/2009 9:46 pm (et) bluelady: So it looks like they stayed because Steptoe goofed.

2/1/2009 9:47 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Yep.

2/1/2009 9:47 pm (et) Susansweet: That web page has a nice bibliography too.

2/1/2009 9:47 pm (et) Susansweet: Seems like it

2/1/2009 9:47 pm (et) Susansweet: Very interesting write up on the whole thing there.

2/1/2009 9:48 pm (et) Susansweet: George Wright that is mentioned as revenging the attack is know as the general who had the least to do with the Civil War . He was in charge of the Army of the Pacific in San Francisco during the Civil War.

2/1/2009 9:49 pm (et) Susansweet: He was killed in June 1865 on the Brother Johnathan in Cresent City California when it sunk with all but eight hands on board.

2/1/2009 9:49 pm (et) bluelady: Interesting.

2/1/2009 9:49 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: So how many battlefields do you have out there, Susan?

2/1/2009 9:49 pm (et) Susansweet: It was interesting to read about him as a soldier.

2/1/2009 9:50 pm (et) Susansweet: None in California , closest one is in Arizona.

2/1/2009 9:50 pm (et) bluelady: I don't know about battlefields LF but I would love to visit Truckee.

2/1/2009 9:50 pm (et) Susansweet: Then there is the whole New Mexico Campaign ending in Glorietta.

2/1/2009 9:50 pm (et) Susansweet: Oh yeah that is amazing.

2/1/2009 9:51 pm (et) bluelady: I read Ordeal by Hunger.

2/1/2009 9:51 pm (et) Susansweet: Many sites of Indian wars and some of them involved soldiers of the Civil war before or after the war.

2/1/2009 9:51 pm (et) bluelady: But that is OT for now.

2/1/2009 9:51 pm (et) Susansweet: There are a couple of other books on the subject too Blue I will look and find them.

2/1/2009 9:51 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Don't know much about Truckee.

2/1/2009 9:51 pm (et) bluelady: Cool.

2/1/2009 9:52 pm (et) Susansweet: Back to this chapter anymore or do we go on to Courting Miss Nelly.

2/1/2009 9:52 pm (et) bluelady: Go on.

2/1/2009 9:52 pm (et) mobile_96: Forward.

2/1/2009 9:52 pm (et) Susansweet: So now we have a battle over who gets to marry Miss Nelly Little Mac or A.P. Hill.

2/1/2009 9:53 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: I wish Mac would have been as aggressive in his military endeavors.

2/1/2009 9:53 pm (et) Pvt Miles: After his “direct assault” for Nelly’s heart in which he was rebuffed, he instead chose siege tactics, by means of her parents- how like McClellan.

2/1/2009 9:53 pm (et) secret squirrel: But uncharacteristically, this is the only time he humbled himself.

2/1/2009 9:54 pm (et) bluelady: amen lf

2/1/2009 9:54 pm (et) Susansweet: I agree Fan.

2/1/2009 9:54 pm (et) Babs: That gal must have really been sumpin.

2/1/2009 9:54 pm (et) secret squirrel: Really, i need to see other pictures.

2/1/2009 9:54 pm (et) bluelady: Love makes one do things that are uncharacteristic.

2/1/2009 9:55 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: One wonders how Nellie became so sweet and endearing with parents like hers.

2/1/2009 9:55 pm (et) Susansweet: Picture of her doesn't do much.

2/1/2009 9:55 pm (et) secret squirrel: Yep.

2/1/2009 9:55 pm (et) Susansweet: Think maybe A.P. Hill won out in the end?

2/1/2009 9:55 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Yes, Miles, but he never gave up and used opportunities when he saw them, UNLIKE during the war.

2/1/2009 9:55 pm (et) Susansweet: I have read he had a good relationship with his wife he did marry.

2/1/2009 9:56 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: I think she looks kind of disgusted in that picture. Wonder why.

2/1/2009 9:56 pm (et) secret squirrel: Wonder if the new wife knew about the std.

2/1/2009 9:56 pm (et) bluelady: If only Nelly would have married Hill.....

2/1/2009 9:56 pm (et) Susansweet: She does doesn't she.

2/1/2009 9:57 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: I'm sure Mrs. Marcy made sure everyone possible knew. What a horrible lady. No wonder Dad stayed away from home.

2/1/2009 9:57 pm (et) bluelady: SS How could she not know? For all the times it put him under the weather...

2/1/2009 9:57 pm (et) Susansweet: And it is considered part of why he died when he did.

2/1/2009 9:57 pm (et) secret squirrel: How could she then??? no penicillin!

2/1/2009 9:57 pm (et) bluelady: The Marcys were uppidy..a perfect match for Mac.

2/1/2009 9:57 pm (et) Susansweet: She remarried too.

2/1/2009 9:58 pm (et) secret squirrel: Spreading the love around.

2/1/2009 9:58 pm (et) bluelady: Dolly did?

2/1/2009 9:58 pm (et) Pvt Miles: I think A.P. was lucky not to have Nelly's parents as in-laws.

2/1/2009 9:58 pm (et) Susansweet: True they were a match made somewhere.

2/1/2009 9:58 pm (et) Susansweet: yep.

2/1/2009 9:58 pm (et) Babs: She who? Nellie? or A.P. Hill's wife?

2/1/2009 9:58 pm (et) bluelady: Really.

2/1/2009 9:58 pm (et) Susansweet: Very lucky Pvt.

2/1/2009 9:59 pm (et) Susansweet: A. P. Hill's Wife.

2/1/2009 9:59 pm (et) bluelady: A.P,'s wife.

2/1/2009 9:59 pm (et) Susansweet: I read it in the book about him by Robertson.

2/1/2009 9:59 pm (et) Susansweet: She was very very pretty too.

2/1/2009 9:59 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: The comment I love is when Marcy writes to Nellie, " we have a duty to ourselves and our friends to maintain a position in society as exalted as possible." There's a family made for Mac.

2/1/2009 10:00 pm (et) bluelady: Absolutely LF.

2/1/2009 10:00 pm (et) Susansweet: Sure is . She must have been a good governors wife too then.

2/1/2009 10:01 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: I do admire McClellan for sticking up for Hill and writing to Mrs. Marcy. How could he have liked her after what she tried to do to his friend.

2/1/2009 10:01 pm (et) Susansweet: This chapter on Mac did not endear me to him anymore than anything else I read about him.

2/1/2009 10:01 pm (et) Susansweet: I did forget he stuck up for A.P. that I do admire.

2/1/2009 10:01 pm (et) bluelady: Made me not like him even more.

2/1/2009 10:02 pm (et) bluelady: That is true.

2/1/2009 10:02 pm (et) Pvt Miles: I'm with you Susan.

2/1/2009 10:02 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Did he finally find someone he loved more than himself? I doubt it.

2/1/2009 10:02 pm (et) secret squirrel: me 2.

2/1/2009 10:02 pm (et) Susansweet: Anymore you would like to discuss tonight about these chapters or anything else we have read so far?

2/1/2009 10:03 pm (et) Susansweet: He and Custer and Fremont found loyal wives.

2/1/2009 10:03 pm (et) bluelady: Nope I think we got it.

2/1/2009 10:03 pm (et) Susansweet: Next weeks homework is to read Part 3 And the War Came , Chapters Our Men at Sumter page183 though 242. Stonewall's Great Locomotive Heist.

2/1/2009 10:04 pm (et) Susansweet: Drives me crazy the chapters don't have chapter numbers

2/1/2009 10:04 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: The courtship of Nellie sound so crazy now, but probably was much more common in the 19th century.

2/1/2009 10:04 pm (et) Susansweet: Just the parts have numbers. We finally get to the Civil War.

2/1/2009 10:04 pm (et) secret squirrel: Thanks. Susan great job. have to go all goodnight!

2/1/2009 10:04 pm (et) bluelady: yay

2/1/2009 10:04 pm (et) Susansweet: Thanks all for taking part tonight . Good chat

2/1/2009 10:05 pm (et) Babs: Good read, good chat.