Book Chat
"Class of 1846:
From West Point to Appomattox"
John C. Waugh

This chat took place in the Civil War Home Chatroom on 01/18/09 and covered "War at Last" thru "The Seventeen Minute Victor".

1/25/2009 9:02 pm (et) Susansweet: Welcome to Civil War Home discussion of John Waugh's book Class of 1846 .

1/25/2009 9:03 pm (et) Susansweet: Tonight we will cover section 2 Gone for A Soldier Pages 75 War at Last to End of The Seventeen Minute Victory on page130.

1/25/2009 9:04 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Well, to begin with, how can a person write 3 chapters containing an entire war without ONE map?

1/25/2009 9:04 pm (et) Susansweet: We are starting with the last chapter from last week as we didn't have enough time to cover it and it fits with the rest of this chapter.

1/25/2009 9:04 pm (et) Susansweet: I know there are no maps in this book. I guess because it isn't a book about the war as much as about the people.

1/25/2009 9:05 pm (et) Susansweet: The same thing happened in Last in Class.

1/25/2009 9:05 pm (et) mobile_96: Maybe because they were less interested in the battles than with the interaction of the '46 class members present.

1/25/2009 9:05 pm (et) Susansweet: First Chapter tonight is War at Last

1/25/2009 9:05 pm (et) AddMandC: I agree with Susan that the book pertained more on people versus battles.

1/25/2009 9:06 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Agreed, Mobile, but the author should consider the sort of person who would be reading the book. Maps! I need maps!!

1/25/2009 9:06 pm (et) Susansweet: But would be nice for at least one map

1/25/2009 9:07 pm (et) Babs: I always want more maps.

1/25/2009 9:07 pm (et) Susansweet: The author talks about them all wanting a war they could all go to and star in and have been their hearts long all spring as much as graduating had been.

1/25/2009 9:08 pm (et) Susansweet: What do you think of this ?

1/25/2009 9:08 pm (et) Babs: Not to nitpick (she says as she does), but The Halls of Montzuma is the chapter that ends on 130.

1/25/2009 9:08 pm (et) 4eyes: My major was Geography at the University of Pittsburgh

1/25/2009 9:08 pm (et) AddMandC: I think you are accurate and once some of them got a taste of combat, it had really opened there eyes.

1/25/2009 9:08 pm (et) secret squirrel: Boys will be boys, don't think that changes through time they were gung ho.

1/25/2009 9:09 pm (et) Susansweet: Sorry I got it wrong

1/25/2009 9:09 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: I don't feel the war was at all justified. Polk just wanted the western territory.

1/25/2009 9:09 pm (et) Babs: I think they didn't know what they were getting into just like young eager soldiers at the beginning of every war.

1/25/2009 9:09 pm (et) Susansweet: Thanks for correcting it Babs.

1/25/2009 9:10 pm (et) AddMandC: Especially for those that were wounded.

1/25/2009 9:10 pm (et) cwbksell: I doubt I will be of much help as I only do Civil War, however I do have Jeff Shaara's Gone For Soldiers and it has more than a dozen maps that might be of help?

1/25/2009 9:10 pm (et) Babs: No problem, Susan. I am here to whine and carry on at your service.

1/25/2009 9:10 pm (et) Susansweet: McClellan and the others were glad the army was going to be doubled that meant they were going to be promoted sooner but again they were less than thrilled with Volunteers

1/25/2009 9:11 pm (et) cwbksell: Lincoln was not in favor of the Mexican War either.

1/25/2009 9:11 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Great. Thanks cw. I have it downstairs and will get it right after the chat.

1/25/2009 9:11 pm (et) Babs: I don't think Grant was either.

1/25/2009 9:11 pm (et) Susansweet: Neither was Thoreau his famous Civil Disobedience was written in reaction to the war.

1/25/2009 9:11 pm (et) Susansweet: Shoot, mine is somewhere here.

1/25/2009 9:12 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: No, he wasn't. I remember reading some of Lincoln's quotes on the war that could have been right out of the 2008 campaign.

1/25/2009 9:12 pm (et) Babs: Tonight's reading would make a great movie.

1/25/2009 9:13 pm (et) Susansweet: Wonder why no one has made a movie on the Mexican War ?

1/25/2009 9:13 pm (et) Susansweet: Poor Mac foiled again he doesn't get to go to Mexico right away.

1/25/2009 9:13 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Was just going to ask that, Susan. Has there ever been one?

1/25/2009 9:14 pm (et) AddMandC: What would a movie on the Mexican war entail?

1/25/2009 9:14 pm (et) cwbksell: I don't believe a movie on the Mexican War would go over very well right now.

1/25/2009 9:14 pm (et) AddMandC: Look at how fast a victory had come.

1/25/2009 9:14 pm (et) Susansweet: True it would be a parallel movie

1/25/2009 9:14 pm (et) AddMandC: I don't think it would either CW.

1/25/2009 9:15 pm (et) Susansweet: Make Shaara's book into a movie .

1/25/2009 9:15 pm (et) secret squirrel: pbs mexican war

1/25/2009 9:15 pm (et) Harry: There was a movie made about the San Patricios.

1/25/2009 9:16 pm (et) Harry: Even starred Tom Barrenger without a squirrel on his face.

1/25/2009 9:16 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Haven't read his book yet. Does it cover the entire war? Shaara's last movie wasn't a great hit.

1/25/2009 9:16 pm (et) Susansweet: lol

1/25/2009 9:16 pm (et) Susansweet: Lee in Mexico and I think Grant too.

1/25/2009 9:17 pm (et) Babs: I did see that PBS program about the Mexican War. I would like to see it again now that I know the characters better.

1/25/2009 9:17 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Poor Gardner had a rough time. Ill with the measels even before he got to Mexico.

1/25/2009 9:17 pm (et) Susansweet: Must have been a shock to go to Mexico by the Mounted Rifles instead of patrolling the Oregon Trail.

1/25/2009 9:17 pm (et) Susansweet: He did have a time of it didn't he.

1/25/2009 9:18 pm (et) Susansweet: Even dumped in a adobe and forgotten for a time after carried ashore.

1/25/2009 9:19 pm (et) cwbksell: I went AOL last week. So, where do we start tonight?

1/25/2009 9:20 pm (et) Susansweet: The last chapter assigned for last week.

1/25/2009 9:20 pm (et) Susansweet: There were 30 classmates all together down in Mexico when they landed.

1/25/2009 9:21 pm (et) Susansweet: Small world.

1/25/2009 9:22 pm (et) Babs: Small army anyway.

1/25/2009 9:22 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: I enjoy reading about Jackson "working the siege pieces down the road as he worked everything at West Point". He must have been the subject of some friendly humor by his peers.

1/25/2009 9:22 pm (et) cwbksell: We start with Gone Are The Days of Our Youth? Thank you SS.

1/25/2009 9:22 pm (et) Susansweet: I laughed at that too

1/25/2009 9:23 pm (et) Susansweet: War at Last is where we started CW

1/25/2009 9:23 pm (et) Susansweet: What do all of you think about Scott surrounding himself with West Pointers and their effect on the war ?

1/25/2009 9:24 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: The other interesting thing is how Scott put such faith in the West Point graduates.

1/25/2009 9:24 pm (et) secret squirrel: Scott believed he had the best trained officers in the world. he was right, they were always outnumbered.

1/25/2009 9:24 pm (et) AddMandC: I think it was a bold move.

1/25/2009 9:25 pm (et) Susansweet: They sure didn't like the volunteers.

1/25/2009 9:25 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Scott reminded me of a proud dad wanting to show off his sons' abilities.

1/25/2009 9:25 pm (et) AddMandC: He surrounded himself with west pointers from the top beginning Col. Hitchcock.

1/25/2009 9:25 pm (et) Susansweet: But of course Gideon Pillow was one of those .

1/25/2009 9:25 pm (et) calcav: Scott had sat through many of their final exams back at the Point.

1/25/2009 9:25 pm (et) AddMandC: Good comparison LF.

1/25/2009 9:25 pm (et) Susansweet: One of those volunteers

1/25/2009 9:26 pm (et) cwbksell: Scott was one of the members of "The Board" so, he was familiar with the class of '46.

1/25/2009 9:26 pm (et) Susansweet: Right Calcav and knew what they could do.

1/25/2009 9:26 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Right, Susan, their feelings for the volunteers reminded me of how the Harvard men felt about the "commoners".

1/25/2009 9:26 pm (et) Susansweet: Any other comments on this chapter or shall we move on to That City Shall Soon Be Ours ?

1/25/2009 9:26 pm (et) Susansweet: So True LF.

1/25/2009 9:27 pm (et) Susansweet: Seems like they had a real Flea problem in Vera Cruz .

1/25/2009 9:28 pm (et) AddMandC: I do believe.

1/25/2009 9:28 pm (et) Susansweet: And El Vomito was coming . Yikes

1/25/2009 9:28 pm (et) calcav: Little Mac had a great idea though..."Let's smear our selves with pork and tie ourselves up in canvas bags."

1/25/2009 9:28 pm (et) Babs: Love the image of Little Mac slathered in pork belly and cocooned to avoid fleas.

1/25/2009 9:28 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Fleas, yet, but they always seemed to escape more serious diseases, at least thus far..

1/25/2009 9:28 pm (et) AddMandC: There is always a way to deal with bug problems though. Found it very interesting to see how McClellan dealt with it.

1/25/2009 9:29 pm (et) Susansweet: I thought that was an interesting way to handle it , glad I didn't have to smell them.

1/25/2009 9:29 pm (et) cwbksell: Fleas must have been a real problem if they were willing to cover themselves with salt pork grease to avoid them.

1/25/2009 9:29 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Can't even imagine McClellan with a wrinkle in his uniform let alone that.

1/25/2009 9:29 pm (et) mobile_96: Wondered where they got the idea for the grease and bag trick.

1/25/2009 9:30 pm (et) AddMandC: And then the fear of Yellow Fever coming.

1/25/2009 9:30 pm (et) Susansweet: Don't know but it seemed to work.

1/25/2009 9:30 pm (et) Susansweet: A real fear in that region.

1/25/2009 9:30 pm (et) Susansweet: Little Mac was so thrilled to finally be in war.

1/25/2009 9:30 pm (et) Susansweet: He was "having the time of his life".

1/25/2009 9:31 pm (et) mobile_96: And easily explained after getting a description of the town.

1/25/2009 9:31 pm (et) AddMandC: I think Scott would have been in a very bad situation had the army not gone to the extremes.

1/25/2009 9:31 pm (et) AddMandC: How about Jackson? He finally got a taste of what he was looking for.

1/25/2009 9:32 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: McClellan had the time of his life and Jackson's "eyes glinted with pleasure".

1/25/2009 9:32 pm (et) Susansweet: Yep his eyes "glinted with pleasure ".

1/25/2009 9:32 pm (et) Susansweet: That is the soldier in them.

1/25/2009 9:32 pm (et) mobile_96: Like a kid in a candy store and 20 bucks in his pocket.

1/25/2009 9:32 pm (et) secret squirrel: I am STILL amazed that McClellan was so gun ho; didn't act like that years later in the CW. But then again he wasn't responsible for so much in 1846.

1/25/2009 9:32 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Wonder if they were as thrilled to be fighting each other 20 years later.

1/25/2009 9:33 pm (et) AddMandC: True SS.

1/25/2009 9:33 pm (et) calcav: Edmund L. Hardcastle...NOT the guy you wanted to stand next to during a battle. The guy was a shell/bullet magnet.

1/25/2009 9:33 pm (et) Susansweet: Now they were headed on to Mexico city but nobody told the mules. I loved that story.

1/25/2009 9:34 pm (et) Susansweet: He sure was.

1/25/2009 9:34 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: That surprised me too SS.

1/25/2009 9:34 pm (et) AddMandC: Graduating from West Point must have been like being in a fraternity and they all had a sense of closeness to each other despite there disagreements.

1/25/2009 9:34 pm (et) Susansweet: Exactly , even during the Civil War they respected each other across the lines.

1/25/2009 9:35 pm (et) AddMandC: That small piece about Derby and Scott was funny to me.

1/25/2009 9:35 pm (et) calcav: I'll admit it - I had to do some research to find out what a paixhan shell was.

1/25/2009 9:36 pm (et) Susansweet: Oh yeah.

1/25/2009 9:36 pm (et) Susansweet: I did too Calcav and I guessed at a pontoners.

1/25/2009 9:36 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: What is a paixhan shell?

1/25/2009 9:36 pm (et) Susansweet: Derby and Scott at least I learned for sure how to pronounce his name.

1/25/2009 9:36 pm (et) Susansweet: Take it Tom.

1/25/2009 9:37 pm (et) calcav: Twiggs usual strategy...CHARGE!

1/25/2009 9:37 pm (et) AddMandC: Completing objectives that seemed impossible is was what got the U.S. to the top, The example is provided with completing objectives like hauling field pieces up the Atalaya.

1/25/2009 9:38 pm (et) AddMandC: Even they didn't think artillery could be put there and it was put to the test.

1/25/2009 9:38 pm (et) calcav: It was a shell (not solid shot) designed to be fired from a naval gun. Prior to 1824 naval guns used only grape and solid shot.

1/25/2009 9:38 pm (et) Susansweet: That was amazing Dabney Maury had a front row seat but he wasn't sure it was the seat he wanted .

1/25/2009 9:40 pm (et) Susansweet: Hit in the arm carried off by an old friend and finally saving his arm from being removed.

1/25/2009 9:40 pm (et) calcav: The cannons being hauled up Atalaya was a fascinating tale. 500 men hauling at a time in the rain. Incredible.

1/25/2009 9:41 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: I didn't know in the middle of the war you could go off to get second opinions on surgery.

1/25/2009 9:42 pm (et) mobile_96: More incredible is the line of tired men lining the trail up the hillside.

1/25/2009 9:42 pm (et) calcav: Kevin Costner did it in Dances With Wolves.

1/25/2009 9:42 pm (et) AddMandC: I imagine being an officer he may have had that luxury, possibly, enlisted on the other hand different story.

1/25/2009 9:43 pm (et) Susansweet: Would have loved to see the Mexicans face when they awoke to the guns trained on them

1/25/2009 9:44 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: The whole war is one tale after another of the Americans doing the impossible.

1/25/2009 9:44 pm (et) calcav: Would have loved to seen "Leg" Smith's face when he woke up next to the dead Mexican after falling in the hole.

1/25/2009 9:44 pm (et) AddMandC: How about the part of Legs Smith falling into the hole with a dead Mexican fighter?

1/25/2009 9:44 pm (et) AddMandC: I agree with calcav.

1/25/2009 9:45 pm (et) AddMandC: I think it would have woke me up rather quickly if it was my first engagement.

1/25/2009 9:45 pm (et) calcav: I agree with AddMandC.

1/25/2009 9:45 pm (et) Susansweet: I would have liked to see that too.

1/25/2009 9:45 pm (et) Babs: It really did read like a movie, what with the Mexican music playing.

1/25/2009 9:45 pm (et) Susansweet: Would have scared me to death

1/25/2009 9:46 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: You might say that's exactly what happened to them.

1/25/2009 9:47 pm (et) Susansweet: And reunited with.

1/25/2009 9:47 pm (et) Susansweet: Oops missed part.

1/25/2009 9:47 pm (et) Susansweet: Derby is injured and finally reunited with Maury . Love the story about Derby in Maury's adobe.

1/25/2009 9:48 pm (et) Susansweet: He must have been a real character.

1/25/2009 9:48 pm (et) calcav: Johnston had no sense of was only a goat.

1/25/2009 9:49 pm (et) AddMandC: Whatever effect the war had on them all, and whatever assignments they may have had it did show them all that "war" is not pretty and under fire you are required to perform with ice in your veins.

1/25/2009 9:49 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Should we move on?

1/25/2009 9:49 pm (et) Susansweet: Doctor says he is a coarse fellow , don't want him among the volunteers.

1/25/2009 9:49 pm (et) Susansweet: Okay last chapter ?

1/25/2009 9:50 pm (et) AddMandC: Last chapter.

1/25/2009 9:50 pm (et) Susansweet: The Seventeen Minute Victory.

1/25/2009 9:50 pm (et) Susansweet: Any comments ?

1/25/2009 9:50 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Did I miss one? Did we do "The Seventeen Minute Victory"?

1/25/2009 9:51 pm (et) Susansweet: Not last chapter.

1/25/2009 9:51 pm (et) Susansweet: One more to go.

1/25/2009 9:51 pm (et) Susansweet: Sorry new at this part.

1/25/2009 9:51 pm (et) Susansweet: Babs keep me straight.

1/25/2009 9:52 pm (et) Babs: You're welcome.

1/25/2009 9:52 pm (et) Susansweet: Comments on Seventeen Minute Victory.

1/25/2009 9:53 pm (et) AddMandC: Tom Jackson got more experience on the artillery!

1/25/2009 9:53 pm (et) AddMandC: Going face to face with Valencia.

1/25/2009 9:53 pm (et) Susansweet: Sure did.

1/25/2009 9:53 pm (et) mobile_96: Doesn't seem like the Mexicans ever really put up much of a fight when pressed. Only when everything was at a longer range.

1/25/2009 9:53 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: So now we have another impossible situation. Churubusco protected by the Pedregal. West Point again overcomes the odds.

1/25/2009 9:55 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: I wonder why the Mexicans (especially Santa Anna who was ruthless) gave in so easily. Did they never have a real army fight them before?

1/25/2009 9:55 pm (et) Susansweet: Gardner sure was lucky . If I had seen this in a movie I wouldn't have believed it.

1/25/2009 9:55 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: What was that, Susan.

1/25/2009 9:56 pm (et) AddMandC: I agree wih LF West Point did overcome this impossible situation.

1/25/2009 9:56 pm (et) Susansweet: Where he is fighting hand to hand with the Mexican in the cornfield and his sword disappears.

1/25/2009 9:57 pm (et) Susansweet: Guy lunges with his musket and a shot passes by Garnder 's ear killing the Mexican.

1/25/2009 9:57 pm (et) AddMandC: The Latin Americans were always in a constant state of revolution LF. They never really formed a government long enough to form a reasonable army.

1/25/2009 9:57 pm (et) Susansweet: And at the end of the battle who shows up but Beaureguard.

1/25/2009 9:58 pm (et) Susansweet: Poor Tom Easley loses his life though.

1/25/2009 9:58 pm (et) mobile_96: And weren't many of them conscripted?

1/25/2009 9:58 pm (et) Susansweet: I am sure they were Mobile.

1/25/2009 9:59 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Good point, AddMandC.

1/25/2009 9:59 pm (et) Susansweet: End of battle and a flag of truce or was it really?

1/25/2009 9:59 pm (et) AddMandC: Yes Mobile.

1/25/2009 9:59 pm (et) cwbksell: Gardner may have been but his friend Easley was not. There were a good number of soldiers in the Civil War who had premonitions of their death before a battle. Easley did not think Gardner was very funny with his remark about one of them not surviving the next battle.

1/25/2009 9:59 pm (et) calcav: We were not impressed with the way the Mexicans dealt with their prisoners. Butchering them gave added incentive the gringos during a fight.

1/25/2009 10:00 pm (et) Susansweet: Right cw.

1/25/2009 10:00 pm (et) Susansweet: I was shocked by that too Calcavs.

1/25/2009 10:01 pm (et) Susansweet: Anything more on this chapter? or shall we move on ?

1/25/2009 10:01 pm (et) Susansweet: To the Halls of Montezumas

1/25/2009 10:01 pm (et) Susansweet: And Chapultepec which really interest me now that I have discovered a great great uncle died there.

1/25/2009 10:01 pm (et) calcav: First stop...Molino.

1/25/2009 10:02 pm (et) Susansweet: Right Molino and the "foundry"

1/25/2009 10:02 pm (et) Susansweet: Outnumbered three to one.

1/25/2009 10:03 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: That's really neat, Susan.

1/25/2009 10:03 pm (et) calcav: It just goes to show you can never have enough good military intelligence.

1/25/2009 10:03 pm (et) Babs: There they were together, charging the enemy---Armistead, Longstreet, and Pickett. How's that for foreshadowing?

1/25/2009 10:03 pm (et) Susansweet: Right a little more might have saved some lives.

1/25/2009 10:03 pm (et) Susansweet: Amazing wasn't it.

1/25/2009 10:04 pm (et) Susansweet: Where does the name Voltiguers come from?

1/25/2009 10:04 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: I tried to understand how they actually approached Mexico City but for some reason didn't really understand how they attacked it. It almost seems disappointing that Mexico surrendered so easily after all the preparations.

1/25/2009 10:04 pm (et) Susansweet: I know from the reading Albert Sidney Johnston lead them.

1/25/2009 10:05 pm (et) Babs: Again a map would have been useful.

1/25/2009 10:05 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Don't get me started on maps.

1/25/2009 10:06 pm (et) Susansweet: It sure would and a better picture of Chupultapec.

1/25/2009 10:06 pm (et) Susansweet: That thing was a fortress.

1/25/2009 10:06 pm (et) Susansweet: And they start off with out their scaling ladders.

1/25/2009 10:07 pm (et) AddMandC: Indeed.

1/25/2009 10:07 pm (et) calcav: Are you sure A.S. Johston was there? I thought he was with Taylor. He did some good stuff at Monterey.

1/25/2009 10:07 pm (et) Susansweet: And Jackson there is no danger here with a cannon ball caroming between his legs.

1/25/2009 10:07 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: The whole think seems incredible, almost like a movie (without a climax).

1/25/2009 10:08 pm (et) calcav: Jackson's performance under fire amazed us both. Very inspiring.

1/25/2009 10:09 pm (et) AddMandC: Kind of like they quote from Charlie Wilson at the end of "Charlie Wilson's War". ha

1/25/2009 10:09 pm (et) Susansweet: Page 119 bottom of page Cal Cav.

1/25/2009 10:09 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Some of the humor is wonderful. Kendrick telling Selden to fire at the crisis.

1/25/2009 10:09 pm (et) calcav: Sue - Joe Johnston not Sidney.

1/25/2009 10:10 pm (et) Susansweet: Recovered from his wounds he was to lead the advance from the cypress.

1/25/2009 10:10 pm (et) Susansweet: oops

1/25/2009 10:10 pm (et) Susansweet: Brain dead.

1/25/2009 10:10 pm (et) calcav: And Kendrick was so cool giving the orders. Very funny.

1/25/2009 10:11 pm (et) calcav: Happens to us all the time.

1/25/2009 10:11 pm (et) Susansweet: I do tend to get the names mixed even when I know what I am talking about lol.

1/25/2009 10:12 pm (et) cwbksell: Must call it a night, but before I go I must tell you the most impressive action thus far was when Pickett, who was dead last in his class, was able to come up with the cleverest solution for buying all his friends a drink with the last coin he had. (page 113) :o)

1/25/2009 10:12 pm (et) Susansweet: Their humor in battle is amazing.

1/25/2009 10:12 pm (et) Susansweet: I loved that story.

1/25/2009 10:13 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: On page 128 there's an excellent summary of why we won. I'll see if I can get it sent.

1/25/2009 10:13 pm (et) Susansweet: Good summary too.

1/25/2009 10:13 pm (et) AddMandC: Wilcox had a close call with what could have been a fatal shot had it been a hair higher. I am quite sure he was awakened .

1/25/2009 10:14 pm (et) calcav: Forgot to mention in the last chapter the wounding of Ed. Sumner. Shot in the head "the safest possible place for Sumner to take a bullet and have it do him the least harm."

1/25/2009 10:15 pm (et) Susansweet: Did you all love the description of AP Hill with his red shirt red top boots Mexican spurs and and broad brimmed sombreo.

1/25/2009 10:15 pm (et) Susansweet: This man write with great humor in his book.

1/25/2009 10:15 pm (et) mobile_96: He would have made a perfect target.

1/25/2009 10:15 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: "There had simply been an overwhelming superiority on the American side in the numbers and weight of military skill. The Mexicans were outgeneraled and outmaneuvered from the top and out-fought from the bottom. But it may have been in the middle that the war was so easily and effortlessly won - by the solid core of West Pointers who formed the backbone of the army's officer corps."

1/25/2009 10:15 pm (et) calcav: I've heard the story of Hill and his "Battle Shirt" but never knew this is where the tale started.

1/25/2009 10:15 pm (et) Susansweet: Thanks for posting that Fan.

1/25/2009 10:16 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: AP Hill wore a red shirt in battle until his death.

1/25/2009 10:16 pm (et) Susansweet: Me either .

1/25/2009 10:16 pm (et) Susansweet: But sure makes a great mind picture.

1/25/2009 10:17 pm (et) AddMandC: Yes it does.

1/25/2009 10:17 pm (et) Susansweet: Then there is the comment at the end that Jackson was atypical.

1/25/2009 10:17 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: I wonder if that's why he wore the shirt, as kind of a challenge to the enemy.

1/25/2009 10:17 pm (et) Susansweet: He still had not stopped trying to reach the head of his class.

1/25/2009 10:17 pm (et) calcav: Cut the Mexicans some slack... they were all hung over from the promotion party.

1/25/2009 10:18 pm (et) Susansweet: lol

1/25/2009 10:18 pm (et) Susansweet: Any other comments or shall we close this session ?

1/25/2009 10:18 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: Good one, Calcav

1/25/2009 10:18 pm (et) Susansweet: Homework for next week is Indian Country page 131 to the end of Our Men at Sumter page 202

1/25/2009 10:18 pm (et) mobile_96: Time to close.

1/25/2009 10:19 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: My comment is that I really love this book. Bought it for my husband years ago, then listened to it on audio, but am getting so much more out of it this way.

1/25/2009 10:19 pm (et) Susansweet: Check YODB for the list of reading assignments.

1/25/2009 10:19 pm (et) calcav: Good last line..."It had indeed been a perfect war. The class would never see another like it again."

1/25/2009 10:19 pm (et) Susansweet: Would love to listen to an audio of it.

1/25/2009 10:19 pm (et) AddMandC: I agree completely.

1/25/2009 10:19 pm (et) Susansweet: Good last line Calcav

1/25/2009 10:19 pm (et) Lincoln Fan: It's on tape.

1/25/2009 10:19 pm (et) AddMandC: I must call it a night. Good night to all.

1/25/2009 10:19 pm (et) Susansweet: Thanks all for taking part tonight.

1/25/2009 10:20 pm (et) Susansweet: This ends discussion for tonight of Class of 1846.